But if by magic they do get it up and running I would be pleased to use it if the price was reasonable, say less than 3000 round trip for two.
Don't know if it is a good idea for Thailand or not but I like it. So save me a couple of seats.
Highspeed Raillink to Cholburi and Hua Hin???
For starters I think that before the new link is usable BKK may be under water.
But if by magic they do get it up and running I would be pleased to use it if the price was reasonable, say less than 3000 round trip for two.
Don't know if it is a good idea for Thailand or not but I like it. So save me a couple of seats.
But if by magic they do get it up and running I would be pleased to use it if the price was reasonable, say less than 3000 round trip for two.
Don't know if it is a good idea for Thailand or not but I like it. So save me a couple of seats.
This latest announcement doesn't mention any high speed links. Pete
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Govt to improve, extend railways
Writer: BangkokPost.com
Published: 9/08/2009 at 02:58 PM
The government will improve the railway services and facilities nationwide, and plans to extend the routes to nearby countries, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said on Sunday.
"The dilapidated railways will have to be improved. Trains could not travel at high speed on some tracks because they have not been renovated for decades," Mr Abhisit said.
He said certain routes, such as the route connecting Chachoengsao and Laem Chabang, would have a dual rail system.
Trains and train stations would also be renovated to ensure hygiene and offer more convenience to passengers, he said.
"The government has an idea to extend the railway network to neighbouring countries such as China and Cambodia," the prime minister said.
He said the government will continue to discuss ways to improve the State Railway of Thailand (SRT) by dividing its operations such as assets management and train operations.
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Govt to improve, extend railways
Writer: BangkokPost.com
Published: 9/08/2009 at 02:58 PM
The government will improve the railway services and facilities nationwide, and plans to extend the routes to nearby countries, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said on Sunday.
"The dilapidated railways will have to be improved. Trains could not travel at high speed on some tracks because they have not been renovated for decades," Mr Abhisit said.
He said certain routes, such as the route connecting Chachoengsao and Laem Chabang, would have a dual rail system.
Trains and train stations would also be renovated to ensure hygiene and offer more convenience to passengers, he said.
"The government has an idea to extend the railway network to neighbouring countries such as China and Cambodia," the prime minister said.
He said the government will continue to discuss ways to improve the State Railway of Thailand (SRT) by dividing its operations such as assets management and train operations.
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High-speed train work to start next year
* Published: 12/03/2010 at 12:00 AM
* Newspaper section: Business Bangkok Post
Construction could begin next year on Thailand's first high-speed train network, says Deputy Prime Minister Trairong Suwannakhiri.
The first route planned in the 800- billion-baht programme would be a Bangkok-Rayong line, he said at an investment conference yesterday.
"I expect the [Abhisit Vejjajiva] government to stand until next year, when we will begin work on this project. It will be a programme that will serve the public for the next three or four decades," Dr Trairong said.
The government envisions investing up to 800 billion baht from 2011 to 2032 in four high-speed routes linking each region with Bangkok, covering 2,000 kilometres of new track. Once the lines are complete, access to all corners of the country would be possible from the capital in less than five hours.
The Transport Ministry is to propose details of the investment plan to the cabinet within 60 days. Investment will be managed through public-private partnerships (PPP).
Tentative plans have allocated 56 billion baht for the Bangkok-Rayong route, 247 billion for a route from Bangkok to Padang Besar on the Thai-Malaysian border, 180 billion for a Bangkok-Nong Khai route in the Northeast and 210 billion for a Bangkok-Chiang Mai route.
Dr Trairong, who chairs a PPP committee for the Thai Khem Khaeng megaproject programme, said Rayong was picked as the priority as it was the least expensive and shortest of the four.
The Rayong route would also help support tourism and industry along the Eastern Seaboard.
"Another factor is that for the past 30 to 40 years, Rayong residents have had to bear the burden of industrial development in the region. We should now give something back to the community," he said, adding that the high-speed train will cut travel time to Bangkok to less than one hour compared with more than three hours now by car.
He said top suppliers from Germany, France, China and Japan would be invited to bid for contracts.
Fare rates meanwhile would depend upon negotiations with private operators, although officials expect fares to the Malaysian border or to Chiang Mai to be set at around 1,000 baht per passenger with the Bangkok-Rayong route priced at around 300 baht.
Meanwhile, the State Railway of Thailand is moving forward with its own plans to improve existing rail track and crossings, procure new engines and carriages and lay another 764 km of double-gauge track by 2014. Out of the total of 170 billion baht budgeted for the programme, 4.6 billion in new investment will come this year.
Railway improvements are considered critical to help reduce logistics costs and lift the country's overall competitiveness. By 2024, the SRT hopes to lay another 3,039 km of track to complement nearly 4,000 km now, with the country's logistics expenses targeted to fall to 13% of GDP from 19% now.
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High-speed train work to start next year
* Published: 12/03/2010 at 12:00 AM
* Newspaper section: Business Bangkok Post
Construction could begin next year on Thailand's first high-speed train network, says Deputy Prime Minister Trairong Suwannakhiri.
The first route planned in the 800- billion-baht programme would be a Bangkok-Rayong line, he said at an investment conference yesterday.
"I expect the [Abhisit Vejjajiva] government to stand until next year, when we will begin work on this project. It will be a programme that will serve the public for the next three or four decades," Dr Trairong said.
The government envisions investing up to 800 billion baht from 2011 to 2032 in four high-speed routes linking each region with Bangkok, covering 2,000 kilometres of new track. Once the lines are complete, access to all corners of the country would be possible from the capital in less than five hours.
The Transport Ministry is to propose details of the investment plan to the cabinet within 60 days. Investment will be managed through public-private partnerships (PPP).
Tentative plans have allocated 56 billion baht for the Bangkok-Rayong route, 247 billion for a route from Bangkok to Padang Besar on the Thai-Malaysian border, 180 billion for a Bangkok-Nong Khai route in the Northeast and 210 billion for a Bangkok-Chiang Mai route.
Dr Trairong, who chairs a PPP committee for the Thai Khem Khaeng megaproject programme, said Rayong was picked as the priority as it was the least expensive and shortest of the four.
The Rayong route would also help support tourism and industry along the Eastern Seaboard.
"Another factor is that for the past 30 to 40 years, Rayong residents have had to bear the burden of industrial development in the region. We should now give something back to the community," he said, adding that the high-speed train will cut travel time to Bangkok to less than one hour compared with more than three hours now by car.
He said top suppliers from Germany, France, China and Japan would be invited to bid for contracts.
Fare rates meanwhile would depend upon negotiations with private operators, although officials expect fares to the Malaysian border or to Chiang Mai to be set at around 1,000 baht per passenger with the Bangkok-Rayong route priced at around 300 baht.
Meanwhile, the State Railway of Thailand is moving forward with its own plans to improve existing rail track and crossings, procure new engines and carriages and lay another 764 km of double-gauge track by 2014. Out of the total of 170 billion baht budgeted for the programme, 4.6 billion in new investment will come this year.
Railway improvements are considered critical to help reduce logistics costs and lift the country's overall competitiveness. By 2024, the SRT hopes to lay another 3,039 km of track to complement nearly 4,000 km now, with the country's logistics expenses targeted to fall to 13% of GDP from 19% now.
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Hi There Pete and all the others of HHAD
Pete you beat me with your posting of the Bangkok Post Article.
Well that's some good News with The Democrats are taking this High speed Rail Link serouisly.
The understudie's school of thoughts on this News
The Route to from Bangkok to Rayong and further on to Pattaya and Chantaburi could be done to in 3constuction Phases, For the Bangkok to Padang Besa Route I imagine 4 to 6 Construction Phases From Bangkok to Chiang Mai possably 3 to 5 construction Phases & Bangkok Nong Khai also 3 to 5 Constuction Phases.
After the start of the Bangkok - Rayong route I can would suggest starting on the Bangkok - Padang BEsa Route withe the 1st Phase Bangkok - Hua Hin stopping in the middle of the Trinity Thai Riviera Travel Destinations of Cha Am, Hua Hin, Pranburi.
But anything can happen here in LOS so please take my estimation with a Eating Spoo of salt.
PS:
I would suggest for some of these Route the Maglev Train Option. it can run on elevated and ground as well.
I know China had one build for it's 30 Km Route Airport to the inner CIty Stretch for a way overproced Pricetag so if the Germans wanna land a long Distance treck they hafta give some Discounts on it's Pricings.
In Order to stay Compettiteve!
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Pete you beat me with your posting of the Bangkok Post Article.
Well that's some good News with The Democrats are taking this High speed Rail Link serouisly.
The understudie's school of thoughts on this News
The Route to from Bangkok to Rayong and further on to Pattaya and Chantaburi could be done to in 3constuction Phases, For the Bangkok to Padang Besa Route I imagine 4 to 6 Construction Phases From Bangkok to Chiang Mai possably 3 to 5 construction Phases & Bangkok Nong Khai also 3 to 5 Constuction Phases.
After the start of the Bangkok - Rayong route I can would suggest starting on the Bangkok - Padang BEsa Route withe the 1st Phase Bangkok - Hua Hin stopping in the middle of the Trinity Thai Riviera Travel Destinations of Cha Am, Hua Hin, Pranburi.
But anything can happen here in LOS so please take my estimation with a Eating Spoo of salt.
PS:
I would suggest for some of these Route the Maglev Train Option. it can run on elevated and ground as well.
I know China had one build for it's 30 Km Route Airport to the inner CIty Stretch for a way overproced Pricetag so if the Germans wanna land a long Distance treck they hafta give some Discounts on it's Pricings.
In Order to stay Compettiteve!
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An update on this plan. Pete
High-speed rail considered
China offers to help with costs, technology
http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/tel ... considered
* Published: 28/07/2010 at 12:00 AM
* Newspaper section: Business
The Thai government could join with the Chinese government to build the country's first high-speed rail network, says Finance Minister Korn Chatikavanij.
Korn: The segment from Bangkok to Rayong could be finished by 2013 and would take only one hour’s travel time, against three hours now by road. APICHIT JINAKUL
Mr Korn told the Bangkok Post the two countries were looking to co-operate in a government-to-government joint venture to build a high-speed rail line from Bangkok to Rayong on the Eastern Seaboard.
The Chinese government would be responsible for capital and investment costs in the rail system, with the Thai side responsible for procuring land. Deputy Premier Suthep Thaugsuban discussed the investment programme with Chinese authorities during a visit to Beijing last week.
Science and Technology Minister Virachai Virameteekul, who also accompanied Mr Suthep on the trip, said the Thai delegation held talks on ways to improve bilateral rail links and the high-speed rail project with Lin Zhijun, China's railway minister.
China suggested a joint-venture model as the quickest means of completing a high-speed rail project, Mr Virachai said, adding that China had used a similar framework in developing a rail system in Laos.The joint venture, which would have to be approved by the cabinet, could seek funding from the financial markets for construction. Mr Virachai said a working committee for the project may be established next month.
Mr Korn said the high-speed rail programme would be a key pillar in the government's plans to improve infrastructure networks, cut logistics costs and strengthen the medium-term competitiveness of the Thai economy.
The rail line, which would run 240 kilometres from Makkasan in central Bangkok to Rayong, would likely include four stops and run through Chachoengsao. Total travel time would be only one hour, compared with up to three hours now by road.
Mr Korn estimated the entire project could be completed within three years.
Thailand is also looking to establish a working group with the Chinese government to co-ordinate building additional rail and transport links to facilitate trade and investment flows across the region.
"Altogether, the State Railway of Thailand will invest over 200 billion baht in upgrades over the next five years, with the target of doubling the average speed of our rail system. We have to rid the system of bottlenecks," said Mr Korn.
He said another regional project would create a standard-gauge rail link from China to Nong Khai at the northeastern border, which in turn would facilitate rail transport running from China down to Malaysia, enabling more regional trade.
The government's Thai Khem Khaeng infrastructure programme calls for up to four high-speed rail routes to be built over the next several decades, linking Bangkok to Rayong in the East; Chiang Mai in the North; Padang Besar on the Malaysian border; and Nong Khai in the Northeast.
Mr Korn said the priority would be given to the Rayong link, given the economic importance of the Eastern Seaboard and the clear superiority of a high-speed rail link in facilitating transport between the area and the country's capital.
While a Chiang Mai-Bangkok rail link would cut travel time to just three hours, air travel between the two cities takes only one hour, he noted.
"With limited resources, we have to focus on what delivers the greatest value," Mr Korn said.
High-speed rail considered
China offers to help with costs, technology
http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/tel ... considered
* Published: 28/07/2010 at 12:00 AM
* Newspaper section: Business
The Thai government could join with the Chinese government to build the country's first high-speed rail network, says Finance Minister Korn Chatikavanij.
Korn: The segment from Bangkok to Rayong could be finished by 2013 and would take only one hour’s travel time, against three hours now by road. APICHIT JINAKUL
Mr Korn told the Bangkok Post the two countries were looking to co-operate in a government-to-government joint venture to build a high-speed rail line from Bangkok to Rayong on the Eastern Seaboard.
The Chinese government would be responsible for capital and investment costs in the rail system, with the Thai side responsible for procuring land. Deputy Premier Suthep Thaugsuban discussed the investment programme with Chinese authorities during a visit to Beijing last week.
Science and Technology Minister Virachai Virameteekul, who also accompanied Mr Suthep on the trip, said the Thai delegation held talks on ways to improve bilateral rail links and the high-speed rail project with Lin Zhijun, China's railway minister.
China suggested a joint-venture model as the quickest means of completing a high-speed rail project, Mr Virachai said, adding that China had used a similar framework in developing a rail system in Laos.The joint venture, which would have to be approved by the cabinet, could seek funding from the financial markets for construction. Mr Virachai said a working committee for the project may be established next month.
Mr Korn said the high-speed rail programme would be a key pillar in the government's plans to improve infrastructure networks, cut logistics costs and strengthen the medium-term competitiveness of the Thai economy.
The rail line, which would run 240 kilometres from Makkasan in central Bangkok to Rayong, would likely include four stops and run through Chachoengsao. Total travel time would be only one hour, compared with up to three hours now by road.
Mr Korn estimated the entire project could be completed within three years.
Thailand is also looking to establish a working group with the Chinese government to co-ordinate building additional rail and transport links to facilitate trade and investment flows across the region.
"Altogether, the State Railway of Thailand will invest over 200 billion baht in upgrades over the next five years, with the target of doubling the average speed of our rail system. We have to rid the system of bottlenecks," said Mr Korn.
He said another regional project would create a standard-gauge rail link from China to Nong Khai at the northeastern border, which in turn would facilitate rail transport running from China down to Malaysia, enabling more regional trade.
The government's Thai Khem Khaeng infrastructure programme calls for up to four high-speed rail routes to be built over the next several decades, linking Bangkok to Rayong in the East; Chiang Mai in the North; Padang Besar on the Malaysian border; and Nong Khai in the Northeast.
Mr Korn said the priority would be given to the Rayong link, given the economic importance of the Eastern Seaboard and the clear superiority of a high-speed rail link in facilitating transport between the area and the country's capital.
While a Chiang Mai-Bangkok rail link would cut travel time to just three hours, air travel between the two cities takes only one hour, he noted.
"With limited resources, we have to focus on what delivers the greatest value," Mr Korn said.
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A very nice idea from the Thai lord Chancelor of Finance putting the Chinese into the Game. Travel time would reduce from 3 hours by Car to only 1 hour by train. With four stops along the way. Completed by 2013?!?!?
A very hopeful estimation by his Chancelor of Finance ain't it?
I know when anything has to go fast & and somehow reliable we could always could count on the Chinese.
As for technology's concern. The Chinese had bought the Japanese Shinkansen Technolgy and modified to Fit their use.
Let's follow this News closely and see how ut de develops,
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A very nice idea from the Thai lord Chancelor of Finance putting the Chinese into the Game. Travel time would reduce from 3 hours by Car to only 1 hour by train. With four stops along the way. Completed by 2013?!?!?
A very hopeful estimation by his Chancelor of Finance ain't it?
I know when anything has to go fast & and somehow reliable we could always could count on the Chinese.
As for technology's concern. The Chinese had bought the Japanese Shinkansen Technolgy and modified to Fit their use.
Let's follow this News closely and see how ut de develops,
Your's The understudy!!!
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High Speed Rail Link for Hua Hin? – Not in our life time.
Can’t speak for Rayong – so will focus on Hua Hin.
In one way or another, I have been involved in rail projects in Thailand since 1992. Indeed it was a rail project that first brought me here as a Project Manager. Since then, I have seen many proposals come and go – many fancy ideas – some ingenious – some ludicrous.
Let’s focus on the case in point – a high speed link through Hua Hin.
The Trans Asia Railway
It’s long been vaunted that a high speed / large capacity rail link connecting Beijing – Vientienne – Chiang Mai – Bangkok – (Via Hua Hin) – Kuala Lumpur and Singapore would provide a well deserved and highly utilised piece of infrastructure. There have been minor variations on this theme – but all would link BKK and HH for sure.
The case FOR it.
A high speed passenger connection – of course. Journey time BKK – HH certainly under 1 hour.
An environmentally cleaner land link for freight between Beijing and a point somewhere on the West cost of Thailand (Andaman) would shave some eight days or so off the time to transport cargo by current road / shipping routes (around Singapore). = Common Sense
Thailand would win handsomely as all this freight from China would have to pay transit fees through Thailand = Common Sense.
So – Why is it not happening?
Who would lose?
Singapore and Malaysia, because they would be cut out of the loop, and as long as the politicians down there can ensure that the politicians in BKK can inhibit or delay this common sense scheme – they will.
Look back in History at the development of most railways. Were they built because people needed them? Nope. Were they built to improve the environment? Nope. Were they built to make money from future development of the nearby land YES.
Construction of railways has nothing much to do with common sense or service to the sprawling masses. It’s all about politics – simple as that
As for the different technologies and their costs – what Thailand needs for its rail network is a standard gauge, electrified, double track network nationwide. Won’t see that in my lifetime or the next 50 yrs I think
Can’t speak for Rayong – so will focus on Hua Hin.
In one way or another, I have been involved in rail projects in Thailand since 1992. Indeed it was a rail project that first brought me here as a Project Manager. Since then, I have seen many proposals come and go – many fancy ideas – some ingenious – some ludicrous.
Let’s focus on the case in point – a high speed link through Hua Hin.
The Trans Asia Railway
It’s long been vaunted that a high speed / large capacity rail link connecting Beijing – Vientienne – Chiang Mai – Bangkok – (Via Hua Hin) – Kuala Lumpur and Singapore would provide a well deserved and highly utilised piece of infrastructure. There have been minor variations on this theme – but all would link BKK and HH for sure.
The case FOR it.
A high speed passenger connection – of course. Journey time BKK – HH certainly under 1 hour.
An environmentally cleaner land link for freight between Beijing and a point somewhere on the West cost of Thailand (Andaman) would shave some eight days or so off the time to transport cargo by current road / shipping routes (around Singapore). = Common Sense
Thailand would win handsomely as all this freight from China would have to pay transit fees through Thailand = Common Sense.
So – Why is it not happening?
Who would lose?
Singapore and Malaysia, because they would be cut out of the loop, and as long as the politicians down there can ensure that the politicians in BKK can inhibit or delay this common sense scheme – they will.
Look back in History at the development of most railways. Were they built because people needed them? Nope. Were they built to improve the environment? Nope. Were they built to make money from future development of the nearby land YES.
Construction of railways has nothing much to do with common sense or service to the sprawling masses. It’s all about politics – simple as that
As for the different technologies and their costs – what Thailand needs for its rail network is a standard gauge, electrified, double track network nationwide. Won’t see that in my lifetime or the next 50 yrs I think
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Yes, I think you must be right Terry; the present rail link from Bangkok to Malaysia is about a hundred years old and doesn't look much like it's been developed at all in that time.
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Steve - you are correct
However - Malaysia are in the process of electrification and double tracking their element right now.
It is already complete in the central region of Malaysia between Ipoh - Kuala Lumpur - Seremban.
Work is in progress to the North of K.L. between Ipoh to Padang Basar (Thai border) and the Southern section between Seremban and Johor Baru (Singapore border). It IS however still only 1 meter gauge which will limit it's carrying capacity and speed.
I spent much of 2002/3 in K.L. working on these proposals and believe me they take time to get going.
State Railway of Thailand? - Still talking about it.
However - Malaysia are in the process of electrification and double tracking their element right now.
It is already complete in the central region of Malaysia between Ipoh - Kuala Lumpur - Seremban.
Work is in progress to the North of K.L. between Ipoh to Padang Basar (Thai border) and the Southern section between Seremban and Johor Baru (Singapore border). It IS however still only 1 meter gauge which will limit it's carrying capacity and speed.
I spent much of 2002/3 in K.L. working on these proposals and believe me they take time to get going.
State Railway of Thailand? - Still talking about it.
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Good Morning from good old Germany to you Ladies & Gentleguys in Hua Hin & beyond.
A very good Analysis Terry of the current Rail Situation in Thailand & neighboring countries!
What I might add that internally The Road Transport lobby had successfully over the last 3 decades prevented an upgrade of the current rail lines in favor of More Roads, Cars, and Busses!
One major obstacle are the Workers Union of State Railway of Thaland!
They claim to be for transperancy for the
entire organisation. But they themselves are so encrusted in their structure which when you work as a Railway worker your life had been basically taken care of. Union benefits in abundance, while working on an vastly outdated equipment!
Highspeed Raillink to Rayong maybe in my Lifetime but Bangkok to Padang Besahr (via Hua Hin) won't happen in this Life of mine! As to great are polItical devine between S'Pore M'sia and Thailand
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A very good Analysis Terry of the current Rail Situation in Thailand & neighboring countries!
What I might add that internally The Road Transport lobby had successfully over the last 3 decades prevented an upgrade of the current rail lines in favor of More Roads, Cars, and Busses!
One major obstacle are the Workers Union of State Railway of Thaland!
They claim to be for transperancy for the
entire organisation. But they themselves are so encrusted in their structure which when you work as a Railway worker your life had been basically taken care of. Union benefits in abundance, while working on an vastly outdated equipment!
Highspeed Raillink to Rayong maybe in my Lifetime but Bangkok to Padang Besahr (via Hua Hin) won't happen in this Life of mine! As to great are polItical devine between S'Pore M'sia and Thailand
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Good evening Y'all my friends & fellas of HHADn
News from the Thai Highspeed Rail link.
I had read the Article maticously and had to laugh freakin hard when Mrs. Supa Piyatity gave this comment to her best (or worse)
What The SRT has technical expertise to run High Speed Trains?!?! This is ridiculous! You bozos are still running on obscelete 1 meter gauges and sprinter trains running @ 90km/h.and now this Quantum leap? Pathetic!!
When everything has to be done fast always turn to them Chinese. But why China they had bought the Technology from Train Expert nations themselves. Now they take the Technology copy it to their needs and then want to sell it again? I would rather go for the train systems exporting nations directly like France, Germany, Japan, and Belgium. It would cost Thailand a tat more but you get the Quality what you get. But with copied products a la chinese I'm not sure if this is a good Idea.
I really wanna know what Terry has to say what Thailand is plans in cahoots with the Chiinese?
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News from the Thai Highspeed Rail link.
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While the cabinet will today consider approving the framework of joint investment between Thailand and China on the development of high-speed train routes in Thailand, both public and private sectors believe faster rail transit will benefit the country economically and socially.
The investments would develop high-speed trains with speeds of around 250 kilometres per hour. Three routes with an investment value of approximately 480 billion baht are now under consideration: Bangkok-Nong Khai, Bangkok-Rayong and Bangkok-Padang Besar.
Supa Piyajitti, director-general of State Enterprise Policy Office, said state-run organisations with the potential to join the investment were the State Railway of Thailand (SRT), which owns land plots along possible routes, and the Mass Rapid Transit Authority of Thailand (MRTA), which has technical expertise.
She said a memorandum of understanding on the Thai-Chinese joint investment would identify only the main topics of co-operation. Once it receives cabinet approval, the MOU must be approved by parliament as the government needs to conduct a public hearing on the issue. "Details of possible co-operation have already been drafted but cannot be disclosed at the moment. The timeframe for development will depend on when the parliament approves the MOU," she said.
A joint Thai-Chinese company with 50:50 ownership will be established, each side with authority to arrange investors. It is unlikely the SRT would invest alone in the joint venture as the law forbids a state enterprise to enter an investment in which a foreigner has more than 49% ownership.
Ms Supa said the joint venture would not require vast capital as the new firm could seek funding for development of a high-speed train system and repay the debt from income generated from its operation. Thai partners would be expected to provide land which, after the rail is constructed, will be given to the government.
Manop Sangiambut, CLSA head of China research, said China plans to export its high-speed train technology to other countries. China earlier applied high-speed train technology from France, Germany and Japan to develop its own technology.
He said the Chinese government usually provides low-interest funding, rail construction and vehicles when investing in other countries.
Ms Supa last week led a Thai delegation to study operations of Chinese high-speed trains in Shanghai.
She said China has both magnetic and electrical train systems, but Thailand requires electrical trains because magnetic trains, running at a maximum speed of 430 km/hour, are too expensive.
High-speed trains from Bangkok to Rayong are expected to add competitiveness to Thai industries.
The other two routes would upgrade the living standard of people in those provinces while also improving tourism.
Mr Manop added Thai funds might be mobilised from the capital market.
I had read the Article maticously and had to laugh freakin hard when Mrs. Supa Piyatity gave this comment to her best (or worse)
Supa Piyajitti, director-general of State Enterprise Policy Office, said state-run organisations with the potential to join the investment were the State Railway of Thailand (SRT), which owns land plots along possible routes, and the Mass Rapid Transit Authority of Thailand (MRTA), which has technical expertise.
What The SRT has technical expertise to run High Speed Trains?!?! This is ridiculous! You bozos are still running on obscelete 1 meter gauges and sprinter trains running @ 90km/h.and now this Quantum leap? Pathetic!!
When everything has to be done fast always turn to them Chinese. But why China they had bought the Technology from Train Expert nations themselves. Now they take the Technology copy it to their needs and then want to sell it again? I would rather go for the train systems exporting nations directly like France, Germany, Japan, and Belgium. It would cost Thailand a tat more but you get the Quality what you get. But with copied products a la chinese I'm not sure if this is a good Idea.
I really wanna know what Terry has to say what Thailand is plans in cahoots with the Chiinese?
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Re: Highspeed Raillink to Cholburi and Hua Hin???
Mr. Understudy
Don't underestimate the skills of your compatriate Thais!
When I first came to Thailand in '92 to run a resignalling project, it was very difficult to find skilled, experienced railway 'techies'. We had to train them.
After a few years working with us, the core of these guys were capable of working in much more demanding technical environments such as Singapore, Hong Kong and London.
Nowadays, several of the big global railway suppliers - Siemens & Bombardier amongst them, have major design & build capability in Bangkok. These 'localised' design houses now carry out work on global railways for example in Korea, Philipines, India, CHINA, UK, South Africa as well as Thailand.
As for SRT - yes, when compared to other National rail enterprises, they are still in the 'dark ages'. Why is the airport rail link so late? Look who 'owns' it.
MRTA and BTS are extremely capable organisations with fast growing expertise in design and operation of metros.
The only thing that hinders TRUE progress, is the political nature of railways as I have stated before.
Which brings me to my last point.
Maybe - just maybe - the political clout of the Chinese may now have more influence over that of Singapore and Malaysia. So - true high speed rail MAY just be on the horizon.
Wake me up when it happens..................
Don't underestimate the skills of your compatriate Thais!
When I first came to Thailand in '92 to run a resignalling project, it was very difficult to find skilled, experienced railway 'techies'. We had to train them.
After a few years working with us, the core of these guys were capable of working in much more demanding technical environments such as Singapore, Hong Kong and London.
Nowadays, several of the big global railway suppliers - Siemens & Bombardier amongst them, have major design & build capability in Bangkok. These 'localised' design houses now carry out work on global railways for example in Korea, Philipines, India, CHINA, UK, South Africa as well as Thailand.
As for SRT - yes, when compared to other National rail enterprises, they are still in the 'dark ages'. Why is the airport rail link so late? Look who 'owns' it.
MRTA and BTS are extremely capable organisations with fast growing expertise in design and operation of metros.
The only thing that hinders TRUE progress, is the political nature of railways as I have stated before.
Which brings me to my last point.
Maybe - just maybe - the political clout of the Chinese may now have more influence over that of Singapore and Malaysia. So - true high speed rail MAY just be on the horizon.
Wake me up when it happens..................
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Re: Highspeed Raillink to Cholburi and Hua Hin???
Hi there my friends & felas of HHAD!!!
The latest from the High Speed Rail Project with afterwards ano
Ther installment of The understudy's skool of thoughts:
High-speed train project moves ahead
Framework approved for Thai-China talks
Published: 27/10/2010 at 12:00 AM
Newspaper section: News
A joint parliamentary session has approved a draft framework for negotiations with China on a national high-speed train network project for Thailand.
Lawmakers yesterday voted 295 to 10 in favour of the negotiation framework.
Sixty-one MPs abstained and 21 did not exercise their right to vote.
Transport Minister Sohpon Zarum said officials from his ministry and those from its Chinese counterpart planned to meet soon to discuss the project, including what priority the different proposed routes should receive.
The project would see China build five high-speed railway routes linking Bangkok to Nong Khai, Chiang Mai, Ubon Ratchathani, Rayong and Padang Besar, the border town in Malaysia opposite Songkhla's Sadao district. Trains would reach speeds of up to 250km/h.
Future cooperation would also cover land development and technology transfer, he said.
"This issue must be put on the national agenda so that it can be sped up quickly," Mr Sohpon said. He hoped significant progress would be made on the project by next year.
The Rayong, Nong Khai and Padang Besar routes are tipped as most likely to be built first.
The results of the negotiations with China would require parliamentary approval to move forward, Mr Sophon said.
The minister said the high-speed train project would be a government-to-government deal. It would be separate from a 170 billion baht project to improve the State Railway of Thailand's existing network.
Mr Sohpon was asked during yesterday's session why China was the only country being considered for the partnership.
He said the country was interested in investing in Thailand and the region, and had also signed an agreement to build a railway to Laos.
Mr Sohpon said Thailand would remain open to proposals from other countries to develop rail networks.
The latest from the High Speed Rail Project with afterwards ano
Ther installment of The understudy's skool of thoughts:
High-speed train project moves ahead
Framework approved for Thai-China talks
Published: 27/10/2010 at 12:00 AM
Newspaper section: News
A joint parliamentary session has approved a draft framework for negotiations with China on a national high-speed train network project for Thailand.
Lawmakers yesterday voted 295 to 10 in favour of the negotiation framework.
Sixty-one MPs abstained and 21 did not exercise their right to vote.
Transport Minister Sohpon Zarum said officials from his ministry and those from its Chinese counterpart planned to meet soon to discuss the project, including what priority the different proposed routes should receive.
The project would see China build five high-speed railway routes linking Bangkok to Nong Khai, Chiang Mai, Ubon Ratchathani, Rayong and Padang Besar, the border town in Malaysia opposite Songkhla's Sadao district. Trains would reach speeds of up to 250km/h.
Future cooperation would also cover land development and technology transfer, he said.
"This issue must be put on the national agenda so that it can be sped up quickly," Mr Sohpon said. He hoped significant progress would be made on the project by next year.
The Rayong, Nong Khai and Padang Besar routes are tipped as most likely to be built first.
The results of the negotiations with China would require parliamentary approval to move forward, Mr Sophon said.
The minister said the high-speed train project would be a government-to-government deal. It would be separate from a 170 billion baht project to improve the State Railway of Thailand's existing network.
Mr Sohpon was asked during yesterday's session why China was the only country being considered for the partnership.
He said the country was interested in investing in Thailand and the region, and had also signed an agreement to build a railway to Laos.
Mr Sohpon said Thailand would remain open to proposals from other countries to develop rail networks.
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Re: Highspeed Raillink to Cholburi and Hua Hin???
The understudy.s skool of thoughts!
Hmm... The parliament approved talks between Thailand & Chin on this High speed Train services.
I would prefer that China would lay down the tracks and signaling equipment and leave the acutal Trains plus Carriages up to International bidding process thus other international Firms like Germanies Siemens Train Technologies with it's Velaro 3, Franches ABB Alstom with it's TGV Bullet train technology, Japan's Shinkansen group can actual bid for these projects.
But as negotiations with China begins they will insist on the full technology package Raillines, bedrock, signalling and trains.
Similarities with the Germanys ICE T Bullet trains are just coincidently,
It would be Cool if we Thais could get these Beautifully designed trains by ABB Alsom.
If I'm lucky and I'm in my 60's or older (not younger that's for sure!) I will be able to witness it's maiden voyage to Hua Hin & beyond.
Your's The understudy!!!
Hmm... The parliament approved talks between Thailand & Chin on this High speed Train services.
I would prefer that China would lay down the tracks and signaling equipment and leave the acutal Trains plus Carriages up to International bidding process thus other international Firms like Germanies Siemens Train Technologies with it's Velaro 3, Franches ABB Alstom with it's TGV Bullet train technology, Japan's Shinkansen group can actual bid for these projects.
But as negotiations with China begins they will insist on the full technology package Raillines, bedrock, signalling and trains.
Similarities with the Germanys ICE T Bullet trains are just coincidently,
It would be Cool if we Thais could get these Beautifully designed trains by ABB Alsom.
If I'm lucky and I'm in my 60's or older (not younger that's for sure!) I will be able to witness it's maiden voyage to Hua Hin & beyond.
Your's The understudy!!!
In Love with Hua Hin since 19naughty9 and it ain't fading!!!
(My fable for All Things Japanese knows no boundaries!) Proud Student of Stamford University Hua Hin Campus from 1999 to 2004 (5th Batch of Graduates.)
“Once you survive Stamford U Hua Hin Campus only you can survive anything!!!”
(My fable for All Things Japanese knows no boundaries!) Proud Student of Stamford University Hua Hin Campus from 1999 to 2004 (5th Batch of Graduates.)
“Once you survive Stamford U Hua Hin Campus only you can survive anything!!!”