Do you give to beggars?

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Do you give to beggars?

Yes, always, even if just to get rid of them.
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No, never, no matter what.
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Seldom, only if they are disabled.
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Just to children.
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Sometimes, depending on what mood I'm in.
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A new article on this subject. Pete :cheers:


Stop giving to beggars, says foundation
Young kids 'are being exploited' by gang lords

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1 ... foundation

* Published: 27/07/2010 at 12:00 AM
* Newspaper section: News

At least a thousand child beggars will be off the streets within a year if kind-hearted but misguided people stop giving them money, the Mirror Foundation says.

Witanapat Rutanavaleepong, head of the foundation's ''Stop Child Begging Project'', said 80% of young beggars, from newborn babies to 12-year-olds, came from Cambodia.

The rest are stateless children mostly from Mae Sot district of Tak, Thai natives from the northeastern region, and other nationalities such as Burmese.

''[If people] stop giving money out of pity for them for just one year the number of young beggars would drop by at least 1,000,'' Mr Witanapat said.

''The youngest case [we have seen] is a 10-day-old baby.''

One out of three child beggars are being exploited, he told a seminar on Sunday supported by the Ministry of Social Development and Human Security. The talks were aimed at promoting a campaign to bring a halt to the practice of using children to make money for unscrupulous gang leaders.

''When you give them money, they will respond with a wai (Thai greeting) and say thanks. It is not a way of making a merit as many think. But it is supporting the sinful business

[of exploitation].''So, we have to adjust the attitude of people.''

Young Cambodian beggars are usually accompanied by their parents, relatives or agents when they enter the country illegally by the eastern line train (Aranyaprathet to Bangkok) or by van.

Social Development and Human Security Vice-minister Vutthikorn Inthraphuvasak said young beggars could be found everywhere in Bangkok _ especially at department stores, flyovers and fresh markets.

He said child beggars were often the victims of human trafficking.

The foundation also revealed that children begged from eight to 12 hours a day, earning between 300 and 1,000 baht.

Most can be seen at business zones in Bangkok and in front of large department stores, skytrain stations and along the footpaths of Sukhumvit Road from Soi 3 to 12.

Somjit Tantivanichanon, superintendent of the Nonthaburi Reception Home for Destitute, said more than 2,893 2,800 foreign mothers and their children have been sent to the home since 2005.

Most came from Cambodia's Banteay Meanchey province, which borders Sa Kaeo in Thailand's east.

Of those, 1,157 had been repatriated, while 1,724 people who were found to be victims of human trafficking were sent to the Immigration Police Bureau for further legal action.

''Over 53% of them are the old faces while the remaining 47% are newcomers,'' she said.

''All of them have the same purpose _ to find money.''

Police spokeswoman Sunshine Ratanapanich said there were two groups of beggars _ those willing to enter the country and those who were victims of human trafficking.

Repatriation is provided to those who willingly enter the country to beg.

Victims of exploitation are sent to support organisations for rehabilitating and then repatriated to their home country.

''To stop giving money to children might lead to possible violence, but maybe it is worthwhile to reduce the number of them entering this begging circle,'' she said.

Sirisopa Teansamruey, a social worker at the Kredtrakarn Protection and Occupational Development Centre, said children are not only exploited to work as beggars but also driven into forced labour and prostitution.
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I got suckered into giving to a flower girl on my last (and first) visit to Thailand. I won't make the mistake on my next visit.
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I never give my money to anyone without a service in return. Like i say everytime, the money is better in my pocket than in another pocket.
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Last time I was eating at the Korean BBQ up Petkasem..a new black VW Transporter mini-bus with black-out windows pulled up at the entrance..side door slid open & out came the blind singers/wailers..!!
The 'organisation' has them do BKK to Samui, & even flies them to the islands..have been spotted on flights.

The young woman who normally goes up & down Binta with a brolly in 1 hand begging has a nice fat wallet tucked under her clothes, and come sunset is straight into 7/11 for half bottle of Sangsom..bit sad but..

BEWARE..
The little under-nourished kid that comes out selling flowers while his big fat-cow mama sits looking-on is the
biggest pick-pocket in HH..!! He's like a ferret in a bar thats full...you just watch him/her (undecided).
Its easy & tempting for him when he's so small... his heads at farang-bum height..same as back-pockets.
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I only give to disabled beggars. I don't give to children, I even ask them, "Where are your parents?" "Why aren't the one working instead of you?"> I believe If a man is fully able and has no disease or whatsoever, he should be the one working or trying to find money to support his family. It's not good for children who are beggars who didn't have any choice but to go on the streets. I pity them but well, if I have money, I'll only give it to people who I know don't have any hopes to have decent work and get paid.
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Official begging? last year we were in our house, our daughter and fiance had just returned to Tunisia, a black shiny 4 wheeler pulled up outside the house, which is on a development. Two men who showed their police identity cards, asked to be allowed in. In very broken English they explained the reason for their visit, the only word I understood was, Musselman, so I assumed they were checking on our Tunisian Muslim visitor. But no, they then produced a photo album showing pictures of dead and wounded police and soldiers hospitalized by the troubles in the south. They were seeking donations to help the casualties and produced a receipt showing that our neighbour had contributed 10,000 baht for which he received a large plaque. Knowing that I was being scammed I was only prepared to offer 500 baht, but I did receive a small statuette of His Majesty, oh and an official receipt. What, I wonder, would have been any consequenses if I had not paid anything.
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If they say they are hungry or thirsty and a street vendor is nearby I may buy them a meal. (Just like giving food for the monks.) This is a good acid test of real need. Generally they walk away. Never cash or you become 'a walking ATM.' My daughter has used the 'have you heard about... the Bible, the Koran etc etc. ' Now that's a turn off.
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Giving to beggers is dangerous. It quickly becomes more profitable to beg than to work. In some countries (India for examle) beggars go to extremes to earn money (such as cutting the arms of there children to make you feel sorry for them). Having worked for some time at the embassy in New Delhi I was continually warned never to give money to beggars.
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Yes, unfortunately, it's the criminal elements that lurk behind the whole thing that feed off it, especially with the children, and make money for nothing along with the harassing attitude of many of them coupled with the practice of only wanting and accepting cash, nothing else. Sadly, tourists are viewed as sentimental fools that just give away money to ease their guilt.

As mentioned by others much earlier in this thread then it's better to give to a proper registered charity of your choice or some place like the Mercy House, much better spent and guaranteed that it does some good.
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They are full of money, i saw a guy with plenty of 1000 bank notes in his pocket. He was showing to a bar girl how much money he's earning by doing nothing. It's a good pay job but you need to look dirty and pitty, i prefer to work to earn my money.
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I don't give any money to beggars or anything else for that matter.
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