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A Health Issue, a Feeding Time issue, a Legal issue, all of the above. We've talked about this before on here extensively, but here it is back again. Kids, adults and tourists get sick from food, newspaper articles for a few days, knee jerk reactions from the government for a few days, new programs proposed/implemented. Then, it all simply goes silent and eventually to hell once again. Now, it's hitting them in the pocketbook and they are losing face in a huge way with other countries. Maybe this time they'll do it right. Nooooo, impossible. But.....to save face as the primary concern, they may fix it. :roll: Pete :cheers:

Acting on unsafe food at last minute

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... ast-minute

* Published: 14/01/2011 at 12:00 AM
* Newspaper section: News

A move by the European Union to ban 16 kinds of vegetable from Thailand has caused chaos among Thai exporters, as well as for Thai restaurants and fans of Thai food on that continent.

The high-profile ban covers indispensable ingredients for authentic Thai dishes - like varieties of basil, chilli and capsicum peppers, eggplants, bitter gourd and parsley.

The EU was considering the ban after it found traces of insect contamination, as well as farm chemicals, in our fresh produce.

And I can assure you this is not the first time EU officials have detected the contamination. In fact it's a long story - before the ban was even seriously considered.

In order to avoid the EU's tough measure, the Thai Agriculture and Cooperatives Ministry opted for a self-imposed ban; it is understood that the problem will be solved with more stringent "quality inspection" of shipments of the 16 vegetables in question. It is well understood that once the EU slaps the ban on our produce, it will be very difficult to have it removed.

Well, it remains to be seen if the self-imposed measures will eventually work within the limited time.

Of course, the whole issue has tarnished Thailand's reputation as "Kitchen of the World" - a strenuous and successful campaign to promote Thai food abroad.

But how can we be the world's kitchen if our food is not safe?

We have to admit that while we are proud of the taste of Thai food, we (in this case I mean the government agencies) somehow pay little, if any, attention to the issue of food safety, in particular when it comes to chemical residues in vegetables.

While the EU is concerned with the health of its people, it is quite sad to see how Thai consumers have little choice when it comes to food safety.

Occasionally, there are news reports about test results by the Public Health Ministry which show chemical residues that go beyond the safety standard in the vegetables on sale at the market. We are encouraged to take precautions when buying the produce. Occasionally, we are given a list of the produce that tends to have excessive residues; these include cucumber, lettuce, spring onion, parsley, etc.

But such a list, without a solution, frustrates us even more.

Those who cook at home may be in a better position to take care of their own health by choosing organically grown vegetables, which cost a lot more. Or if they have to buy those in the conventionally-grown category, they can still clean the produce thoroughly, at least to a point where they feel it is safe to eat.

Unfortunately, not many people can do that. So many of us, particularly office workers and labourers who spend much of our time outside the home, have to depend on food shops. And we have no idea if these food shops care about our health. I bet many of them don't.

For me, I always look for organic produce for my kitchen and that brings another kind of headache - it's not easy to find organic produce at the conventional market.

But I have to admit that things are better than before now that there are quite a few "once a week" green markets in Bangkok, thanks to the efforts of a civic network advocating green issues.

Compared to the state, the green network is making good progress in promoting food safety. The past green fair at Lumphini Park was quite a success.

Can the state, in particular the Agriculture Ministry, do better?

Yes, but it needs strong political will to free itself from giant farm chemical firms and set itself on the right path of food safety.

EDIT: The author: Ploenpote Atthakor writes for the Life section, Bangkok Post.
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The problem is that so many of the population are involved in the informal food industry, whether it be farming or restaurants etc and it's completely unregulated, especially the casual micro traders end of it, look at all the little shops everywhere. Where are the safeguards about how it was grown, no surprise the EU is unhappy about it but here in LOS nobody gives it a second thought, welcome to trade with the west. It's simply not possible to regulate it here in LOS yet (maybe in the future), or bring any laws to it, as it would put 30% of the population out of work, so a blind eye is turned.
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If we hear from Mr. Plum in due course and he says '...so what's new...the large exporting Western countries have contaminants all over their produce, fruit, grain, meat, fish etc....' he would probably be correct.

If you think about these things too much, I guess you simply stop eating. New book "The Fear Diet" :idea: What do I have in me, who knows? Will it kill me early, who knows? My greatest fear is for the kids if the degree of contamination is getting worse worldwide. If I go at 70 rather than 80 it makes little difference. If younger generations start going at 50-60, that's a very big deal.

We briefly talked about organic produce and other products on here just two weeks ago. I'm going to go out and try to source some from my local town here. Again, I fear that if I find them, are they really organic or just a label to charge more and simply sprayed just as much as anything else. :? Pete :cheers:
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Since this otherwise charming country seems to be full of lawlessnes, lies and deception, nobody can really trust anything....There is no consequence to breaking the law if there is one about food control. Corruption prevails....."Consequence" hardly exists in the Thai vocabulary.
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prcscct wrote:...are they really organic or just a label to charge more and simply sprayed just as much as anything else. :? Pete :cheers:
The USDA 'organic' and 'natural' labels are definitely suspect. I don't buy any imported food if I can help it. Some organic products from Australia like grains/beans are ok.

What I do is buy fresh veggies at markets (not China imports) and wash the produce in a 3% 'food grade' hydrogen peroxide solution. You can also use a vinegar wash. Google it.

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I had a bag of dried chillis from HH a couple of years back, stored them in a screw top jar, and they were fine for a few months. Then suddenly noticed they had become infested with a tiny brown mite which was working hard on turning the chillis into a damp powder.
I consulted a friend here in England who is a senior Environmental Health Officer - and the verdict was 'a harmless mite - you can still use the chillis.'
I didn't, but only because I just didn't fancy eating the bugs.
I now have a pot of Thai Holy Basil seed hopefully germinating and have no worries at all about eating whatever might sprout.
The EU is I'm afraid over vigilant in many cases and prefers to ban products however slight the risk rather than allow consumers to make their own informed decision. The result is that people are not developing the natural immunity which we used to have.
Most folk in the UK will wash their fruit and veg anyway, and as far as I'm concerned the cooking process for vegetables should be enough to de-bug.
I do find Mr P's suggestion of washing in hydrogen peroxide a bit scary and 'over the top' to be honest. It's bleach pure and simple and must surely have some effect on the veg? If the intent is to remove any pesticide residue wouldn't a wash in clean water be enough? And anything which seeps into a plant isn't going to be removed by whatever means.

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margaretcarnes wrote:I do find Mr P's suggestion of washing in hydrogen peroxide a bit scary and 'over the top' to be honest. It's bleach pure and simple and must surely have some effect on the veg? If the intent is to remove any pesticide residue wouldn't a wash in clean water be enough? And anything which seeps into a plant isn't going to be removed by whatever means.
I find carcinogenic pesticides, fungi, parasites and bacteria more scary and over the top myself.

There are many articles online explaining HP's use in the Food Industry, in hospitals and more. HP occurs naturally and is used as a non-toxic (unlike bleach) disinfectant. Added to water, it is sprayed on cheese, eggs, vegetables, fruits, and whey products to keep them free of unwanted bacteria. It is used to disinfect metal and foil-lined food containers. Food grade hydrogen peroxide is also used in the dairy industry as a disinfectant and bactericide.

I've used it for a couple of years now, quite happily. :cheers:
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Our defense systems are being destroyed

My old man who lived till 99 was brought up on salted meat hung in the cellar for weeks, veg out of the garden and later in life often ate food out of the freezer and then put the remains back in the freezer for his next meal

I'm now 65 and a bit and couldn't give a sh1t but I worry about my kids eating all that crap in the UK supermarkets

In Thailand I always feel healthier when in my Isaan village. No pesticides for miles. Veg and fruit out of the ground or the trees. Meat grazing off the land and water from the roof of the house

OK Thais don't live as long in the Isaan villages but that is Lao Khow and over abundance of rat sh1t chillies in their 5 times a day songtam
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MrPlum wrote:
margaretcarnes wrote:I do find Mr P's suggestion of washing in hydrogen peroxide a bit scary and 'over the top' to be honest. It's bleach pure and simple and must surely have some effect on the veg? If the intent is to remove any pesticide residue wouldn't a wash in clean water be enough? And anything which seeps into a plant isn't going to be removed by whatever means.
I find carcinogenic pesticides, fungi, parasites and bacteria more scary and over the top myself.

There are many articles online explaining HP's use in the Food Industry, in hospitals and more. HP occurs naturally and is used as a non-toxic (unlike bleach) disinfectant. Added to water, it is sprayed on cheese, eggs, vegetables, fruits, and whey products to keep them free of unwanted bacteria. It is used to disinfect metal and foil-lined food containers. Food grade hydrogen peroxide is also used in the dairy industry as a disinfectant and bactericide.

I've used it for a couple of years now, quite happily. :cheers:
The problem I have with all this is who says that bacteria, fungi or parasites are particularly harmful to a person who has a normal healthy defence system? OK pesticides are a whole different ball game. They are artificial compounds. The others are all naturally occuring life forms which people need to build an immunity against.
And if hydrogen peroxide is already used extensively in treating food I want to see that on food labelling along with all the other scary info which is thrust in our faces these days. In fact I want to see it more than the 'point 001% DRA sodium' crap. So why isn't it there? Maybe because it would scare the s..t out of people, despite your assurance that it's food standard HP.
Meanwhile my question still stands - what effect on food does the use of a cleaning agent like HP have exactly? Surely it will seep into greens to an extent. Surely it won't eradicate totally any pesticides which have similarly seeped in?
But at the end of the day if we avoided all supposedly contaminated or chemically treated foods we would all starve to death.
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