BMA's Super Skywalk will make Bangkok pedestrian friendly

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BMA's Super Skywalk will make Bangkok pedestrian friendly

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This is a super idea if it comes to be. They need to start now announcing NO VENDORS, NO MOTORCYCLES.... I see one problem though in getting large trucks through the city when needed for deliveries. Pete :cheers:

EDIT: Hong Kong has these in many places and they're great.

BMA's Super Skywalk will make Bangkok pedestrian friendly
By Mayuree Sukyingcharoenwong

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/02 ... 49420.html

The Nation
Published on February 24, 2011


Pedestrians in the capital will be able to enjoy greater convenience and safety now that Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) has promised to spend Bt15 billion on building the Super Skywalk System, a 50-kilometre clutter-free elevated walking space.

The construction is scheduled for completion in four years.

"It will help Bangkok residents move around more easily in crowded areas," Governor MR Sukhumbhand Paribratra said yesterday.

Since the skywalk will be covered, pedestrians will not have to worry about sun or rain, and close-circuit television and adequate lighting will also ensure safety. As the walkway will be linked to the mass transit system, such as the BTS and the subway, Sukhumbhand hopes people would be encouraged to leave their cars at home.

He explained that the first phase of the walkway would cover 16km and construction would begin next month at a budget of Bt5.2 billion. The walkway will go down Sukhumvit Road, starting at Soi Nana and ending at Soi Bearing. This phase will also include some parts of Phya Thai, Ramkhamhaeng and Wong Wien Yai.

The second phase will be 32km long and cover Ratchadamri, Silom, Sathorn, Phetchaburi, Ramkhamhaeng, Ekamai, Thonglor, Phaholyothin, Thon Buri and the Bang Wa areas.

BMA said the Super Skywalk System would be an integrated project that addresses the needs of pedestrians on a long-term basis.

Space for pedestrians is the only issue that has not been seriously addressed to meet the growing density of buildings in the past decade. "During the past 10 years, walking areas have covered just a kilometre and half," Sukhumbhand said.

The Super Skywalk project is part Sukhumbhand's "Krungthep Gao-na" campaign.
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A super idea indeed, but they have a long way to go and much to do.

Bangkok becoming "pedestrian friendly" is almost an oxymoron. :cheers:
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The skywalk between Siam and Pleonchit is great. No vendors, litter ,cycles and covered. If this is as I presume the system that will be extended then if the same rules apply it will definitely improve pedestrian lives. The motorcyclists will then have a more unrestricted access to the cycle path in the middle of pavements like Sukhumvit. :?
The only drawback I can see will be less passing trade for the tailors, pickpockets, beggers and sidewalk stalls along the pavements underneath the skywalks.There will probably be a fight for "rights" to the spots at stairways.
One potential moan I can see is that when the skywalk reaches a BTS station
( Siam to Ploenchit is dissected by Chitlom) a pedestrian either has to walk down to the pavement and back up after the station or buy a ticket.
A BTS day pass is only120 Baht so not so bad.
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Exactly who will benefit from this? Pedestrians who want to browse the street markets, restaurants and shops at street level? I don't think so. How does it improve accessibilty for disabled people or parents with pushchairs? Maybe I just don't get it but it seems a completly pointless waste of money.
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I once stayed in the Intercontinental which was already linked by these type of paths to a few shopping malls and the BTS system and it did make it very easy to get around.
One big advantage is that it's stops you having to spend ages trying to cross busy roads as you're obviously already above them.
If you made some provision for people to get up there with wheelchairs, or whatever, it would benefit them as well.
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Exactly who will benefit from this? Pedestrians who want to browse the street markets, restaurants and shops at street level? I don't think so. How does it improve accessibility for disabled people or parents with pushchairs? Maybe I just don't get it but it seems a completely pointless waste of money.
The people who will benefit are the local commuters school children and others who wish to walk. As for pushchairs and disabled do you consider them catered for on the cluttered uneven pavements? Asoke and Siam both have lifts for the disabled. I would think at 30 million a kilometre a few more may be installed?
I often enjoy the walk from Asoke to Paragon the elevated section is cleaner and as already pointed out makes crossing the street safer and quicker.
I do not wish to be forced to walk through a market or be leaping out of the way of motorcycles. I think it is a way forward. More buildings will be able to connect and new proper market areas can be created far above the traffic.
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It would be a good idea for about every third entrance stairs to be that type of moving belt you see in large retail stores here, where the wheels of the shopping cart lock into the belt. A wheelchair could travel on it by using it's own wheel locks. I think the angle can't be more than about 30 degrees. Probably a budget buster though. Pete :cheers:
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.....to the list of NO's, I add skateboards and roller blades as well. A must admit though, if a kid I would be severely tempted to give it a go. 8) Pete :cheers:
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prcscct wrote:.....to the list of NO's, I add skateboards and roller blades as well. A must admit though, if a kid I would be severely tempted to give it a go. 8) Pete :cheers:
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I have to say I don't think Bangkok needs an extra 50 kilometres of elevated concrete structures along it's main thoroughfares.
Skytrain - although a great mode of transport - has destroyed the look of Silom Rd for one. At least part of it. Skytrain access points already clutter pavement space.
And although us farang are all for walking from A to B when possible - I've yet to come across a Thai who is happy to walk anywhere, elevated or not!
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I think its a great idea and I have experienced some of the walkways in Honkers. This was a novelty the last time I was there and just look how it has changed some areas. And for those lazy Thais, something akin to this would be ideal.

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BMA should liberate our footpaths

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Pavement: A flat part at the side of a road for people to walk on (Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary).

Sidewalk: A walk or raised path along the side of a road for pedestrians (The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language).

It does not matter whether it's British or American lexicon. Both have a consensus on the definition of the footpath. It's definitely and unarguably a place exclusively reserved for people to walk. The real function of the sidewalk is respected in cities like New York, Tokyo, London and Singapore. Once upon a time _ but no longer, it seems _ it was also respected here in Bangkok.

The pavements in the City of Angels used to be heaven for pedestrians. Increasingly, that is something of the past.

And if the problem goes unaddressed, Bangkok folk wanting to move about the streets on foot without the presence of vendors annoying them, might have no choice but to use the Super Skywalk.

What really happens to this city under the people who run it, the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration?

The BMA missed the point when it said it wanted to use the elevated walkway project to restore the enjoyment of walking for pedestrians. But the BMA has no need to use the public purse of around 15 billion baht to launch a project as ambitious as this if it really wants to encourage more people to walk. It can tackle the problem at the root cause

The problem with cluttered sidewalks in the capital began when the BMA and government in the old days allowed hawkers to temporarily use the pavements to sell their products. There was nothing wrong with that, as this generosity could help poor vendors make ends meet. One condition was they could not permanently occupy the area as if it was their own property.

Of course, what we see today shows that that condition has never been respected, and no legal action taken to enforce it. The pavements are permanently taken by vendors, many of them wealthy ones but pretending to be poor. The pavements in prime areas like Silom have been occupied by these people and the BMA should not underestimate their wealth.

Many drive to work; in many cases someone drops them off to work and picks them up for home. Their physical occupation of the pavements forces pedestrians to walk on the road, leaving the area that is actually set aside for them as space for street vendors.

Among the ugliest scenes are the areas in Bang Kapi and near Ramkhamhaeng University. People risk their own safety when they are forced to step down from the sidewalk to walk on the streets.

Who should be blamed for letting this problem come this far? The BMA is not the only agency responsible, though it is undoubtedly the agency closest to the problem. Another agency directly involved is the police.

All pavements across the country are under the direct supervision of police, according to the Land Transport Act. In Bangkok, the Metropolitan Police Bureau is in charge. The BMA has to get permission from city police to allow street vendors to use them. The BMA usually forwards the request to police every two years. In exchange for gaining permission, City Hall has to make sure that its staff keep sidewalks clean and that pedestrians will be not disturbed. That's the promise; the reality is what everybody sees.

Under the law, a space of one metre has to be set aside as a walkway for pedestrians, and vendors are allowed to set up stalls only on one side of the pavement. Can anybody find any pavement on Bangkok streets which follow this rule? Obviously, the answer is none.

The police should have the courage to withhold permission from the BMA for use of pavement space if city officials cannot regulate the way vendors use this public space. This would ensure that pavements are returned to their rightful owners, the pedestrains.

Now, according to most Bangkok pedestrians, a pavement in Bangkok is merely part of the side of a road for vendors to use and people to avoid.
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A lot of resistance to this and it appears to be dying a slow death. Pete :cheers:

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