History Challenge & Journal

[Siani]

they will say Porche or Ferrari.

and that my friend is because they are tasteless nouveau wannabees

Give me an old Brit like a Lagonda streamliner from the early 30s, a Bentley Blower, a Fraser Nash or even an old 50s Wolesley police car.

That or a classic old American lead sled from the 40s or 50s, a Ford model Y, or a lovely old Citroen Traction Avant.

Old cars have something all the money of Wayne and Waynetta football stars never buy...character class and charisma.

Old motorbikes on the other hand are a feckng nightmare......take it from a bloke who got a broken ankle care of the kicker on a Panther Model 100. They look and sound lovely, but will be the death of you....or at least a reason for early baldness.

Agree..my late father had an old Alvis. It used to start with a handle! My uncle had a vintage Aston Martin. That is class...not brash, in your face, chavy...crappy cars

[Spitfire]

What is this?

And who issued it?

[dtaai-maai]

It's a loan bond certificate issued by the Confederate (Hee-Haaaw) States of America in about 1864.

[Spitfire]

Yes indeed man, the yaaaaahooooo boys gave it out. Bet the holders were never refunded though.

[dtaai-maai]

Okay, try this one - should be fairly straightforward, but please answer all of the following at the same time:

!. Where?
2. When?
3. Who drew it?
4. What is wrong with it geographically (I'm talking about a major error)?
5. What is wrong with it - as it it turned out - historically?

[PeteC]

Here's another one..when it rains it pours. This is actually a subject I know little about therefore a quiz of sorts, and answers for me.

There is a hillside somewhere in Britain with an outline image of a horse on it. 100 meters +- long, made of stone and a side view. What and where? It can only be seen well from the air, or I suppose from another nearby hillside as high or higher.

The brief commentary I saw indicated it was of unknown origin, and ancient. I tend not to agree as the outline looks quite modern in design, almost ultramodern. Maybe it is a hoax? Pete

[dtaai-maai]

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There are several, Pete, some ancient, some modern, but all genuine! Google will give you the details much more effectively than I can.

EDIT: No. 1 with rider: "The Osmington White Horse is a hill figure sculpted in 1808 into the limestone Osmington hill just north of Weymouth called the South Dorset Downs, within the parish of Osmington."

The figure is of King George III, who regularly visited Weymouth, and made it 'the first resort', riding on his horse, and can be seen for miles around. It is 280 feet long and 323 feet high in size and is best viewed from the A353 road.

EDIT: No.2 "The figure has been shown to date back some 3,000 years, to the Bronze Age, by means of optically stimulated luminescence dating carried out following archaeological investigations in 1994. These studies produced three dates ranging between 1400 and 600 BC. Iron Age coins that bear a representation comparable to the Uffington White Horse have been found, supporting the early dating of this artifact; counter suggestions that the figure was fashioned in the Anglo-Saxon period now seem untenable.[1] Numerous other prominent prehistoric sites are located nearby, notably Wayland's Smithy, a long barrow less than 2 kilometres (1 mi) to the west. The Uffington is by far the oldest of the white horse figures in Britain, and is of an entirely different design from the others."

EDIT: Not forgetting this splendid fellow:

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[dtaai-maai]

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Okay, try this one - should be fairly straightforward, but please answer all of the following at the same time:

!. Where?
2. When?
3. Who drew it?
4. What is wrong with it geographically (I'm talking about a major error)?
5. What is wrong with it - as it it turned out - historically?

[PeteC]

Thanks DTM, it's the #2 that I saw and peaked my interest. That design is in no way ancient (to me)...but who am I to argue with the experts. Perhaps aliens designed it, the spaceship type , not the immigrant type. Pete

[dtaai-maai]

You're absolutely right, and I remember thinking how modern the design looked, but it is classic bronze Age - those guys were pretty sophisticated in some ways.

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And this is how the horse motif developed through the Bronze Age

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[Nereus]

History2.jpg

Okay, try this one - should be fairly straightforward, but please answer all of the following at the same time:

!. Where?
2. When?
3. Who drew it?
4. What is wrong with it geographically (I'm talking about a major error)?
5. What is wrong with it - as it it turned out - historically?

While not trying to spoil anyone's fun, try this for a start:

Samuel de Champlain Carte geographique de la Nouvelle France-1612

Samuel Champlain; ca. 1567 [2] – December 25, 1635), "The Father of New France", was a French navigator, cartographer, draughtsman, soldier, explorer, geographer, ethnologist, diplomat, and chronicler. He founded New France and Quebec City on July 3, 1608.

The rest of the question needs more time than I have just now, Sorry!

edit; added date

[dtaai-maai]

Okay, try this one - should be fairly straightforward, but please answer all of the following at the same time:

!. Where?
2. When?
3. Who drew it?
4. What is wrong with it geographically (I'm talking about a major error)?
5. What is wrong with it - as it it turned out - historically?

While not trying to spoil anyone's fun, try this for a start:

Samuel de Champlain Carte geographique de la Nouvelle France

Samuel Champlain; ca. 1567 [2] – December 25, 1635), "The Father of New France", was a French navigator, cartographer, draughtsman, soldier, explorer, geographer, ethnologist, diplomat, and chronicler. He founded New France and Quebec City on July 3, 1608.

The rest of the question needs more time than I have just now, Sorry!

Now that the easy bit is done, does someone want to have a crack at the trickier part of the question?

[PeteC]

A stab with a rubber knife says #4 looks like Ireland to the East.... ,,,and #5 if that is really Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, it never belonged to the French in the long term....I think. Pete

[lindosfan1]

I think it is the north west passage which used to be permantly iced over but is now open in some months. The maps is wrong because it shows mainland where there are islands.

[dtaai-maai]

Pete, you get the prize for No. 5 - the map is of "New France", which turned out to be Canada.

No. 4 - there's something great missing below the US-Canada border. Or rather some things.