History Challenge & Journal

[Spitfire]

Actually, judging by that map for the proposed invasion of the UK, I guess the first obstacle the Germans stormtroopers would have run into would have been............Essex girls...

[Siani]

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What is this? Where was it found? What happened to it?

[PeteC]

I don't know, but thanks for breathing some life into this thread Siani. Pete

[JD]

That is the The Crosby Garrett Helmet, found by a metal detectorist near Crosby Garrett in Cumbria. It's a Cavalry Helmet but only used as a sporting ceremonial event and not in battle.

Christie's auctioned it last year with an estimate of 200 - 300,000 pounds. It actually went for 2.3 million to an anonymous UK Bidder.

[dtaai-maai]

It's a Roman cavalry helmet found last year in Crosby Garret, Cumbria. It was found in bits and restored.

Nice challenge, I was missing this thread!


EDIT - oops, sorry.
Well done, JD...

[Siani]

Me too DM...I have missed it..C'mon someone think of another challenge

Yes correct Well done JD!

The sad news is that nobody knows where it is now

The helmet was found in more than 30 pieces, but has been restored and cleaned for sale by Christie's.

So who owns our past? For almost 1,000 years, the answer was simple. From the 12th century until 1997, anyone finding ancient gold or silver objects in the ground was obliged, under the common law of treasure trove, to report it. Ownership was determined by an archaic process. The system was flawed: it led to a guessing game about the intentions of someone hundreds of years into the past. It also failed to protect properly that great majority of artefacts not made from gold or silver.

Unfortunately, the statute law that replaced it, the 1996 Treasure Act, is no better. Its weaknesses have been exposed by the unhappy story of a Roman helmet found in Cumbria. The helmet is astonishing: a product of the greatest skill, a human face in bronze and tin of a quality far beyond most classical relics. It was made somewhere in the eastern Roman empire in the first or second century and brought to Britain around the time of the emperor Hadrian. Of a design described in the writings of Arrian of Nicomedia, it was probably worn in jousting contests. It is one of only three ever found in this country, and much the finest. It should be in a museum. Instead was sold at auction for £2.3m to an unknown buyer and may never be shown in public.

A real sad state of affairs, I would say as well Probably somewhere a tycoon is using it as a paperweight!

[dtaai-maai]

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What? Where? How old?

[PeteC]

To get the wrong answer out of the way to allow others to proceed in a different direction ........Notre Dame cathedral, Paris, year built. Pete

[dtaai-maai]

Sorry Pete, not even lukewarm!

[Siani]

Stab in the dark...

Is it a stone lion sculpture? Maybe found in Turkey 950-725 BCE? Was it part of a gateway to the citadel of Kunulua?
Is it a lion?

[dtaai-maai]

Is it a lion? Your guess is as good as mine - for all I know it could be a crocodile!

The good news is you're in the right part of the world.
The bad news is it's not Kunulua, and it's earlier than 950 BC.

[pharvey]

This is a carving on one of a number of ''T-Pillars'' at Gobekli Tepe. Regarded as possibly being the World's 1st temple. Located in southeastern Turkey, it is estimated at being some 12,000 years old - pre-dating Stonehenge by some 6,000 years!

As an aside, I'd also have said this particular carving looks more like a lion, however foxes, snakes, wild boars, cranes, wild ducks are apparently the most common..... so take your pick!

[dtaai-maai]

Correctamundo, pharvey. I only found out about this quite recently (reading a Nat Geo mag at the vet's!) and it's really quite a mind-blowing discovery.

Perhaps we should adopt the caption competition routine and have the 'winner' set the next challenge?
You up for that, Mr Harvey?

[pharvey]

Correctamundo, pharvey. I only found out about this quite recently (reading a Nat Geo mag at the vet's!) and it's really quite a mind-blowing discovery.

Perhaps we should adopt the caption competition routine and have the 'winner' set the next challenge?
You up for that, Mr Harvey?

We'll have to stop reading the same magazines!! I just seemed to remember something about one of the oldest temples, so after a little searching and the clue on location through Sianni........ so, certainly not all down to me!! As you say, a remarkable discovery and incredibly well preserved.

I'm up for setting the next challenge this round anyway (as I can't see me getting anymore correct)!!!..... So here goes, and I hope it keeps to the standard of previous questions: -

What is this and why the arguments over it's authenticity/age?

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[Nereus]

[I'm up for setting the next challenge this round anyway (as I can't see me getting anymore correct)!!!..... So here goes, and I hope it keeps to the standard of previous questions: -

What is this and why the arguments over it's authenticity/age?

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I was wondering where I left the bloody thing!

In rocks the age of which are valued by one explorers as Lower Cretaceous, and others - as Odovician, a ferrous hammer had been found. It was discovered by Max Hahn in June, 1934 (under other data, 1936), when it fished (or travelled) with his family near London in Texas (USA).

Rocks containing the hammer are semigrown together concretions of calcareous sandstones. Ann Cairns from the Geological Society of America cites data that in analogous rocks several miles upwards the brook Lower Cretaceous fossils have been found out. And the rock is a part of Lower Cretaceous Edwards Plateau which was formed 140 million years ago when dinosaurs dominated on the Earth.