No love for the farang woman?
I have been married to a Thai Lady for 22 years , 17 of those spent in UK. I can honestly say that we have never had any problems with 'Ferang Ladies' looking down on us. However, that could be because we are both the same age now in our 50's. Maybe the problems arise where a Westerner takes up with young Thai girls many of which certainly look a lot younger than they really are. If we see aged Western men with very young Westren girls I am afraid that thoughts of Paedophilia are notb very far away.
My wife and I are only four years apart in age and both in our thirties with a young family. We have received the stares!PJG wrote:I have been married to a Thai Lady for 22 years , 17 of those spent in UK. I can honestly say that we have never had any problems with 'Ferang Ladies' looking down on us. However, that could be because we are both the same age now in our 50's.
I think you may be able to sum it all up in a nut shell. Us Western people, either Eu or USA, from the day we came home from the hospital at birth, were constantly exposed to what was perceived by our parents, the church and society to be "acceptable".
That thinking dies hard, and I'm sure it's still in the minds of even the yonger generation today.
Age differences on top of race differences compounds the entire issue. Compounded further by middle aged western women who feel threatened by the lovely, slim and smiling lady on your arm, rather than accepting it and being happy for the people in question.
The bottom line is that each of us lives for ourselves and our immediate loved ones and though difficult, no one should be concerned about what strangers think or say. Very difficult I know, if you feel you are "outside" of society, but a person can overcome that. Just remember who is going to make you happy and care for you? Them, or your lady and your kids and your family? Pete
That thinking dies hard, and I'm sure it's still in the minds of even the yonger generation today.
Age differences on top of race differences compounds the entire issue. Compounded further by middle aged western women who feel threatened by the lovely, slim and smiling lady on your arm, rather than accepting it and being happy for the people in question.
The bottom line is that each of us lives for ourselves and our immediate loved ones and though difficult, no one should be concerned about what strangers think or say. Very difficult I know, if you feel you are "outside" of society, but a person can overcome that. Just remember who is going to make you happy and care for you? Them, or your lady and your kids and your family? Pete
Re: No love for the farang woman?
[quote="Sultry"]I was quite surprised/shocked at the hostility towards farang women from farang men.
According to them, all Western women are vile, selfish, career-driven, jealous, frustrated, psychotic witches.
How on earth has this initial post about a comment involving the apparent hostility that Farang men feel for farang women got hijacked back into the ever favourite subject of Farang men with Thai partners.It started with Jaime,whose reply bears no resemblance to the post that started the thread but has as usual dug up the same insecurities.
In answer to Sultry's post most farang men who are hostile to Farang women are generally divorced,out of pocket and if they are on Thai website like mangosauce up to speed with relationships with more laidback Asian women.I can only comment that European women seem to be perhaps be more ambitious as they get older and if they feel a marriage has become a sham,they are more inclined to call it a day and move on with someone else however much it hurts or however much it costs and that is the real problem,money.Hell I went through it when I got home from the rig at 45 and found the wife gone and the house empty.Afraid it did not put me off European women at all though I spent a few years in asia but have now settled down with another dreaded farang woman and love every second of it.Digger
According to them, all Western women are vile, selfish, career-driven, jealous, frustrated, psychotic witches.
How on earth has this initial post about a comment involving the apparent hostility that Farang men feel for farang women got hijacked back into the ever favourite subject of Farang men with Thai partners.It started with Jaime,whose reply bears no resemblance to the post that started the thread but has as usual dug up the same insecurities.
In answer to Sultry's post most farang men who are hostile to Farang women are generally divorced,out of pocket and if they are on Thai website like mangosauce up to speed with relationships with more laidback Asian women.I can only comment that European women seem to be perhaps be more ambitious as they get older and if they feel a marriage has become a sham,they are more inclined to call it a day and move on with someone else however much it hurts or however much it costs and that is the real problem,money.Hell I went through it when I got home from the rig at 45 and found the wife gone and the house empty.Afraid it did not put me off European women at all though I spent a few years in asia but have now settled down with another dreaded farang woman and love every second of it.Digger
Re: No love for the farang woman?
I don't agree with you Digger - my intention was not to hi-jack the thread but to answer a direct question by providing a possible reason for the attitudes described in the OP. It seems from the subsequent responses that there is a relationship at least in part and my post was therefore entirely relevant to the OP. The post before mine gave a simple 'Yes' in answer to the OP. Is that the sort of contribution you would have preferred?Digger wrote:How on earth has this initial post about a comment involving the apparent hostility that Farang men feel for farang women got hijacked back into the ever favourite subject of Farang men with Thai partners.It started with Jaime,whose reply bears no resemblance to the post that started the thread but has as usual dug up the same insecurities.
Farang women
I would agree with those of you that think "hostile" is a little bit to strong word....
I think it is not very long ago that the common opinion among people was that the only reason men go to Thailand is for buying sex, and that all the girls were abused and threatened to sell their body for money - that they all were offers for terrible western men......I guess this opinion is slowly changing as the picture have changed a bit, it is more "normal" with mixed couples staying together for both love and sex, families and western women are travelling to Thailand themselves and can see that Thai people really are "enchanting" and hopefully will get the opinion that it is not only about the "buying cheap sex" anymore. I must say I fully understand all the men falling for this beautifull girls who seems to be easier to go along with than "modern western women".
My first thought reading about people stearing at this mixed couple: They need to check out if : can this be a good, normal relationship or is it what we all have read about: a poor abused young girl?
Maybe the history of Thailand and the still going on sex traffic just makes it impossible for a lot of people not to feel that they need to take an extra look just to try to make up their mind about that? Saying that I do not mean that it should be done in a disrespectfull way...even the most courious of us need to treat each other with respect..
I think it is not very long ago that the common opinion among people was that the only reason men go to Thailand is for buying sex, and that all the girls were abused and threatened to sell their body for money - that they all were offers for terrible western men......I guess this opinion is slowly changing as the picture have changed a bit, it is more "normal" with mixed couples staying together for both love and sex, families and western women are travelling to Thailand themselves and can see that Thai people really are "enchanting" and hopefully will get the opinion that it is not only about the "buying cheap sex" anymore. I must say I fully understand all the men falling for this beautifull girls who seems to be easier to go along with than "modern western women".
My first thought reading about people stearing at this mixed couple: They need to check out if : can this be a good, normal relationship or is it what we all have read about: a poor abused young girl?
Maybe the history of Thailand and the still going on sex traffic just makes it impossible for a lot of people not to feel that they need to take an extra look just to try to make up their mind about that? Saying that I do not mean that it should be done in a disrespectfull way...even the most courious of us need to treat each other with respect..
Maggie
Re: No love for the farang woman?
Do not see see your point here at all Jaime,Initial post from Sultry purely states some observations on a thai website about Farang mens feelings for Farang women.First reply is Yes from Kevars then comes your post which launches off in a different but all too familiar trend of attitudes concerning relationships between european men and Thai partners so there is no connection at all,I just have a feeling this is your favourite topic
I don't quite think it's an argument JW but it does seem that I have irked Digger somewhere along the line and that I am now being singled out for attention.
Oh yes, I forgot, this is obviously the big deal for you:
As for your assertion, well I hadn't ever thought about it in those terms but, frankly so what if it is? I dare say it is a subject area that is relevant to many people who use this board because it is a part of their reality as it is a part of mine. The fact that it is not part of your own reality and that you are clearly unable to empathise with it is obviously why you are unable to understand the relevance of my post. I can't help that but what is particularly novel is the way you suggest that posting about Thai-farang relationships reflects some kind of insecurity in those who do so but then feel the need to justify your own relationship with a farang lady at the end of your post! Why? Feeling insecure? Of course you aren't, because making such a suggestion on the evidence of the content of a forum post would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? 
This is not meant as an attack on you Digger and all the very best of luck and continued happiness to you and your lady but I'm just trying to illustrate how unjust your comments were using your own, seemingly resentful, approach.
No, it doesn't simply state some observations, it ends by asking a question, which I answered by elaborating on kevar's 'Yes' with a speculative delve into the psyche of the western men and women who are relevant to the discussion! If you have a problem with the fact that it crosses over into a related topic that you dislike, then I'm sorry but tough luck! Sultry herself responded positively to my post and the theme was continued thereafter. Maybe my post subsequently caused a bit of a further wander but as JW posted, what's the big deal?Digger wrote:Do not see see your point here at all Jaime,Initial post from Sultry purely states some observations on a thai website about Farang mens feelings for Farang women.
Oh yes, I forgot, this is obviously the big deal for you:
Well, I didn't have you down as a forum stalker Digger!Digger wrote:I just have a feeling this is your favourite topic
As for your assertion, well I hadn't ever thought about it in those terms but, frankly so what if it is? I dare say it is a subject area that is relevant to many people who use this board because it is a part of their reality as it is a part of mine. The fact that it is not part of your own reality and that you are clearly unable to empathise with it is obviously why you are unable to understand the relevance of my post. I can't help that but what is particularly novel is the way you suggest that posting about Thai-farang relationships reflects some kind of insecurity in those who do so but then feel the need to justify your own relationship with a farang lady at the end of your post! Why? Feeling insecure? Of course you aren't, because making such a suggestion on the evidence of the content of a forum post would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? This is not meant as an attack on you Digger and all the very best of luck and continued happiness to you and your lady but I'm just trying to illustrate how unjust your comments were using your own, seemingly resentful, approach.
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Jamie's right and Digger's wrong. No need for more ding dong.
I would be more attracted to western woman if their ass's wern't so big and I'm sure more would be attracted to me if I didn't have a pregnant melon for a belly.
Lets look at the obvious. A single ugly pot bellied middle-aged man in the UK has much more chance scoring in Thailand than at home. According to most middle aged fat assed western woman, the men who go to Thailand to score are pervs. So what's the diference between a perv and a virile man? I know the difference between a slim attractive woman who willingly takes her panties down for older men and an ugly cellulite-ridden hag who would gladly break a mans balls for fun and who I would plead with to keep her vast bloomers up!
The solution could be for more older western woman to get toy boys over here! I'm sure we could then reach more common ground.
I would be more attracted to western woman if their ass's wern't so big and I'm sure more would be attracted to me if I didn't have a pregnant melon for a belly.
Lets look at the obvious. A single ugly pot bellied middle-aged man in the UK has much more chance scoring in Thailand than at home. According to most middle aged fat assed western woman, the men who go to Thailand to score are pervs. So what's the diference between a perv and a virile man? I know the difference between a slim attractive woman who willingly takes her panties down for older men and an ugly cellulite-ridden hag who would gladly break a mans balls for fun and who I would plead with to keep her vast bloomers up!
The solution could be for more older western woman to get toy boys over here! I'm sure we could then reach more common ground.
Re: Sultry............. some stick and well taken
[quote="essbee"]My wife is Thai and is a fantastic wife. Yes I have been through the painful divorce with a western woman after some 26 years of marriage.
When I first met my Thai wife I was taken by all of the positive aspect of the Thai way, of course nobody is perfect but I can’t believe how much easier she is to live with that my ex. My Thai wife is some 16 years younger that me and worse still probably looks 25 years younger……….. and there is the problem I guess (we have been together for 5 years now).
We have stayed in the Dusit, Anantara in HH and many other hotels in Thailand and one thing is common is the glares we both get from “whiteâ€
When I first met my Thai wife I was taken by all of the positive aspect of the Thai way, of course nobody is perfect but I can’t believe how much easier she is to live with that my ex. My Thai wife is some 16 years younger that me and worse still probably looks 25 years younger……….. and there is the problem I guess (we have been together for 5 years now).
We have stayed in the Dusit, Anantara in HH and many other hotels in Thailand and one thing is common is the glares we both get from “whiteâ€
Awesome ...Jockey wrote:A single ugly pot bellied middle-aged man in the UK has much more chance scoring in Thailand than at home. According to most middle aged fat assed western woman, the men who go to Thailand to score are pervs. So what's the diference between a perv and a virile man? I know the difference between a slim attractive woman who willingly takes her panties down for older men and an ugly cellulite-ridden hag who would gladly break a mans balls for fun and who I would plead with to keep her vast bloomers up!
Who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed? - Hunter S Thompson
Okay - another question : Is it true that single farang women have NO chance to get a boyfriend?
When I was in Bangkok, this 20-something year old woman told me that it was impossible for white women to get a boyfriend in Thailand 'cause the farang men only want Thai women and Thai men don't care for farang women. She had been living in thailand for 3 years.
I'm taking this with a grain of salt though but yeah, would be nice to hear your input.
When I was in Bangkok, this 20-something year old woman told me that it was impossible for white women to get a boyfriend in Thailand 'cause the farang men only want Thai women and Thai men don't care for farang women. She had been living in thailand for 3 years.
I'm taking this with a grain of salt though but yeah, would be nice to hear your input.
It's a small world after all...
No chance - they all go to the Gambia, apparantly there's a ready supply of ripe virulant young guys there already providing their services, no jet lag and just a few hours flight.Jockey wrote: The solution could be for more older western woman to get toy boys over here! I'm sure we could then reach more common ground.
Sultry, I do you a disservice with the above, which was a bit of (truthful) fun!
I think your friend was speaking in jest?
But what I have noticed is an increasing number of "same age" Thai guys with western ladies, who to all intents and purposes, looked like your typical couple to me, both in Bangers and Hua Hin!
Happy hunting!
Talk is cheap
Hello again - Having initially wondered whether to answer your latest question by simply stating 'NO!' I reconsidered and so I hope this one will be less 'controversial' than the last!
I know of a handful of farang women in Hua Hin with Thai boyfriends and husbands. There are a couple of them living on the moo-bahn where we have our place and of course, there are Thai men who like farang women so don't give up hope! After all, opposites attract! I can't believe that all farang men in Thailand will steadfastly refuse to get involved in a relationship with a farang woman either.
As an aside, there was a TV documentary on here in the UK recently which followed the fortunes of a number of British women who had made their lives with partners in Asia and Africa. One of these ladies was married to a Thai man and the biggest obstacle in their relationship was her partying every night, which a good Thai woman would reputedly never do. Her mother in law kept saying what a bad wife she was! In a country where keeping 'face' is an issue I imagine that could be a big problem in a relationship between Thai man and lady farang. On 'that other forum about Thailand that shall not be named' (pm me if you don't know) there are lots of discussions about this sort of thing. Hopefully some of the HHAD ladies can enlighten you further - I think I remember Dawn discussing something similar some time ago.
Good luck!
I know of a handful of farang women in Hua Hin with Thai boyfriends and husbands. There are a couple of them living on the moo-bahn where we have our place and of course, there are Thai men who like farang women so don't give up hope! After all, opposites attract! I can't believe that all farang men in Thailand will steadfastly refuse to get involved in a relationship with a farang woman either.
As an aside, there was a TV documentary on here in the UK recently which followed the fortunes of a number of British women who had made their lives with partners in Asia and Africa. One of these ladies was married to a Thai man and the biggest obstacle in their relationship was her partying every night, which a good Thai woman would reputedly never do. Her mother in law kept saying what a bad wife she was! In a country where keeping 'face' is an issue I imagine that could be a big problem in a relationship between Thai man and lady farang. On 'that other forum about Thailand that shall not be named' (pm me if you don't know) there are lots of discussions about this sort of thing. Hopefully some of the HHAD ladies can enlighten you further - I think I remember Dawn discussing something similar some time ago.
Good luck!