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Were they all ground-breakers of some kind? The first of a kind?
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The first to use rear wheel/rudder drive???
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We've got human/wind power, gasoline internal combustion power, and steam power. Maybe a clue in all that? Pete 

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Well lets see
As team HHAD have spotted we have
A battle galley built in the Venetian Shipyards for the Battle of Lepanto
A "showmans" steam traction engine built by Richard Garrett and Sons of Britain
A Model T Ford built by the Ford Motor Company.
now...
what links all three....some good guesses so far but not the right answer yet.

As team HHAD have spotted we have
A battle galley built in the Venetian Shipyards for the Battle of Lepanto
A "showmans" steam traction engine built by Richard Garrett and Sons of Britain
A Model T Ford built by the Ford Motor Company.
now...
what links all three....some good guesses so far but not the right answer yet.



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All models that were never built to true specification?
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Production lines; the Venetion Arsenal shipyards, Garretts engine works and Fords were all early adaptors of production lines.
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More clues please

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No, I think Steve has cracked it - I'd wondered about mass production on the basis of the Model T Ford, but couldn't link it to the others. 

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I thought exactly the same thing at first but when Sandman specified the actual make of Traction Engine, I had a quick read and made the link. The Venetian shipyards really surprised me though.dtaai-maai wrote:No, I think Steve has cracked it - I'd wondered about mass production on the basis of the Model T Ford, but couldn't link it to the others.
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Steve has it....they are all "landmarks" in the evolution of modern mass production.
In the late 1500s the Ottoman naval fleet were causing mayhem in the Med, so the Pope and Doge of Venice strung together the Holy League of martime forces. However, they didnt have enough of the newest form of war galley or its bigger badder brother the galleass. So, some smart bloke at the Venetian shipyards came up with the idea of dedicated teams of men building sections of a galley and moving on to the next....and thus "flow production" was born. As a result the Holy League pasted the Ottomans at the Battle of Lepanto, destroying up to two thirds of the enemy fleet.
In the mid 1800s a smart as beans Brit steam engineer called Richard Garrett, after seeing blueprints of the latest US steam traction engines, adapted the flow production system and built a dedicated work shed - Garretts Long Shed - to house a fully integrated production line where the boiler and wheels started at on end and as the engine progressed down the shed so more parts were added till the finshed engine rolled out of the far end. So the production line was born.
In the early 20C Henry Ford had a plan to make a car that any man could afford, and using the system Garrett came up with added the last key element - mechanisation. Ford thus brought modern mass production lines to the world, and is credited as the father of "Mass Production" and what some term the Second Industrial Revolution.
The Venetian system and Ford's production line went full circle in the US during WW2 when US shipyards could turn out a Liberty Ship at an incredble rate, thus helping the allied nations keep old Adolf at bay and making his wolf pack fleet of U boats much less effectve. The ships werent just bult fast, they were bult so well they remained in service for decades after WW2.
Had Garrett's sons not stuck with steam power, and taken up the internal combustion engne, the firm would probably have gone on to be a dominant force in the UK car makers market. However, he stuck with steam and when at the end of WW1 the surplus market in petrol driven tranction enginees and tractors flooded the European market the once proud firm died on the limb. Garretts became a normal enineering firm, finally closng down in the late 1980s. His "Long Shed" is now all that is left, and is a museum to the Industrial Revolution and steam engines. That said, so popular were the engines he made that you can find examples of a Garrett at almost any steam fair you go to.
I get ths stuff off Industrial Revelations and Connections that run on Discovery Scence channel....fascinatng stuff.

In the late 1500s the Ottoman naval fleet were causing mayhem in the Med, so the Pope and Doge of Venice strung together the Holy League of martime forces. However, they didnt have enough of the newest form of war galley or its bigger badder brother the galleass. So, some smart bloke at the Venetian shipyards came up with the idea of dedicated teams of men building sections of a galley and moving on to the next....and thus "flow production" was born. As a result the Holy League pasted the Ottomans at the Battle of Lepanto, destroying up to two thirds of the enemy fleet.
In the mid 1800s a smart as beans Brit steam engineer called Richard Garrett, after seeing blueprints of the latest US steam traction engines, adapted the flow production system and built a dedicated work shed - Garretts Long Shed - to house a fully integrated production line where the boiler and wheels started at on end and as the engine progressed down the shed so more parts were added till the finshed engine rolled out of the far end. So the production line was born.
In the early 20C Henry Ford had a plan to make a car that any man could afford, and using the system Garrett came up with added the last key element - mechanisation. Ford thus brought modern mass production lines to the world, and is credited as the father of "Mass Production" and what some term the Second Industrial Revolution.
The Venetian system and Ford's production line went full circle in the US during WW2 when US shipyards could turn out a Liberty Ship at an incredble rate, thus helping the allied nations keep old Adolf at bay and making his wolf pack fleet of U boats much less effectve. The ships werent just bult fast, they were bult so well they remained in service for decades after WW2.
Had Garrett's sons not stuck with steam power, and taken up the internal combustion engne, the firm would probably have gone on to be a dominant force in the UK car makers market. However, he stuck with steam and when at the end of WW1 the surplus market in petrol driven tranction enginees and tractors flooded the European market the once proud firm died on the limb. Garretts became a normal enineering firm, finally closng down in the late 1980s. His "Long Shed" is now all that is left, and is a museum to the Industrial Revolution and steam engines. That said, so popular were the engines he made that you can find examples of a Garrett at almost any steam fair you go to.
I get ths stuff off Industrial Revelations and Connections that run on Discovery Scence channel....fascinatng stuff.



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Re: History Challenge
Just a quickie for the weekend!
What is the name of this building?
when was it built and where?
What was part of it used for later on?
What is the name of this building?
when was it built and where?
What was part of it used for later on?
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I'd guess from the fairy tale style that it's somewhere in Germany?
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At first view i would guess a European style design, maybe German?
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