Conflict in the Middle East

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I wish I had the wit to do that deliberately!!!

Sadly, it was an error through typing whilst keeping an eye on the stir-fry I had on the go (Chicken, red pepper, onion, pak-choi, fresh chilli (lots), with Ginger, oyster and soy sauce - served with rice and very nice too!

I guess Jockey is even more offended now!!?? :oops:
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For what it's worth, I reckon China and the USA will carve the world up in due course, share whatever's left of the mineral wealth and NOT tolerate extremism of any sort.
Anyone who objects to this, will be eliminated.
As for your cooking, Caller, it seems a bit Commie to me :thumb:
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caller wrote:And I would just like to pubicly pass on my apologies to Jockey. (should read "publicly" to change it further would detract from Jaimes next post!!! Read on)

I re-read what he wrote and there's a lot of emotion there. I think maybe that kind of influenced his tone and how I interpreted it.

If he'll accept, a beers on me next time I'm in HH.

Nothing that has been written here has changed my opinion or views, although I'm open to ideas.

Interesting to noted the shift in reporting today, looking at Israeli casualties, maybe its not so newsworthy to keep doing the other? Thats my cyniicism about the press, by the way.

I guess these topics are just not appropriate for a forum like this? Everyone has their own opinions and maybe they're best kept quiet.

I've learnt my lesson.
Well said Caller. Of course everybody has an opinion on such an emotive subject and some of us receive different information than others. We also all have different influences both current and historical.

I lived for many years, just across the road from you in civilised Berkshire and I know that if I made some of the statements that the freedom of this forum allows me I would have probably had my head kicked in many times in the local pub. At the best I would have been in a vociferous majority.

As Pete says. What can we do about it but move if we disagree with the policies of our home nation and its friends. That is what many of us have done.

The point here is that in Thailand we are allowed the freedom of speech that the western societies boast of but do not actually deliver. Double standards appply. Also there is evidence to me, having lived in the west for so much of my life that, however freely you think your thoughts are you are always inadvertantly being brainwashed by the western media either directly or via the opinions of your peers who are exposed to the same media sources themselves. Of course other in the world are exposed to mother forms of brainwashing from sources with their own interests.

Travel allows the opening of the mind and the ability to hear a completely hear opinion.

If this forum is not the correct place to discuss this then I would like to know where it could be discussed openly. I suspect many such sites in the west would be monitored.

I have had my feelings for many years about the Middle East particularly and the involvement of the west in its affairs. I feel more comfortable and have found many more like minded thinkers here than I ever did in the UK or the US.
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Guess’s comment about inadvertent brainwashing is spot on. I couldn’t believe the difference between the reporting of the Vietnam war, when I was younger, and the reality I found when I lived in Saigon. I truly believed it was a war against the spread of evil commies. When I found out what the American supported government was actually like it really dawned on me how easily millions of people can be manipulated. Poor people standing up for themselves had been de-humanised by the media and I’m not too sure how much of it was inadvertent. The problem now is that now I don’t believe anyone about anything unless I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
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This is a sub section of the original thread, therefore I am not breaking my own rules. :P

I've lived so long with the ME mess, it's really not a blood pressure factor anymore. Cuba is currently.

Read the wires today and it's very evident that the butt heads in Washington are trying to make a play. Why?, the Cubans in Florida are a huge political group, and Florida was a swing State when Bush (didn't win) the last time around. They're also nervous about Chavez(sp) who seems ready to step in and make Cuba a territory of his own.

Keep pushing it guys, we'll have 2 million Cubans on boats again headed for Miami and please tell us who will pay for it and them? Not me, if you want my satang, come and get it.

If Fidel dies and Raul is seen as weak, this will be a huge issue in the 2008 elections. If I was a Cuban/American right now living in Miami, I'd go out and buy a big chest, put it on my front lawn, open it, and just wait for it to get filled up. Not much different than Thailand, just more subtle. :guns: Pete
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Pete, Its your country thats affected most, but isn't everyone smelling a mood shift in Cuba?

Popular holiday destination for Brits and others from europe for quite a few years now, because the money was needed when the supplies stopped from the east.

But also surely having an effect will be when the locals sniff the reality with a (albeit much loved) leader that is ailing? Isn't it just about inevitable that this is the next - and last(?) country to face a massive change in direction?

To me, it almost seems as though its big business waiting to get in there and grab their share and to slice the place up betaeen the big hitters? And Havana will become a restored, living musuem, where you can get day trips on the renovated 50's caddies with a theme park called Disney at the fore and the latest great golf courses and linked resorts being created?
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I don't know how we got from the ME to Cuba, but Caller is right. When Castro dies the migration will not be from Cuba to the US, but from the US to Cuba. Cuban-Americans will buy every inch of land they can and turn it into South Beach-South. A playland and our 51st state.

No such luck in the ME. Congress held hearings on Iraq this week. The generals in charge used the phase "civil war" in public. What do they say in private? Rumsfield gave another one of his inane speeches "I never said it would be easy". Oh yes you did Donny, right after you said "WMDs " and "democracy" and "we will be welcomed with open arms".

Condi is running around in her designer clothes (does she ever wear the same outfit twice?) completely outclassed by everyone. Nice eye-candy, but no diplomat. She should have stayed here at Stanford--an acadamician, not a diplomat.

GWB is AWOL as usual, just like in Vietnam when he hunkered down with the Alabama NG. Best we can figure out the ME quagmire is cutting into his vacation time; but he will find time to go down to Texas for some quality bike riding and brush clearing time.
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Well I just bought my ticket to Thailand. BKK on Sept. 19th--HH ??

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My fear is that Raul will do what Fidel did before to postpone the inevitable, tell those who want to go that they can go. That's when the fleet of bathtubs and inner tubes will be launched once again in the direction of Miami. Yes, I think there will be a change in Cuba but not a fast or easy one.

I went from ME to Cuba as I didn't want to start another thread on political discussion. Concensus on here seems to be that one is enough for this forum and I tend to agree. Pete
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Fidel is 80 & Raul is 75 & Fidel looks healthier. Change (economic) is on the horizon.
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A report from Sky News... interview with George Galloway.

Love him or hate him, in this case the man took the biased media coverage to task. Best bit of television I have seen in a long while. For that reason I decided to revisit this thread and share it with you cos' this certainly deserves to be included.....

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Loved it best thing I have seen in ages
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Interesting link Jockey. (Never watch Sky News myself)

Love or hate Galloway, he certainly put his point across!

I don't really want to get into too much discussion on the rights and wrongs of the Israeli or Hezbollah actions. To me they are both wrong and I can see no way out of the situation (neither do I have the same emotional involvement which usually blinds reason, in any case).

The US has no credibility after their handling of Iraq and the UN has no power or teeth without them (sad but true).

Wonder if she (the news interviewer) still has a job :twisted:

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Also see http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... RIO0.shtml
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