Global Warming/Climate Change 2

[MrPlum]

So you finally after years of denying GW/CC agree with me there

I hadn't given you a thought. Sorry.

[sargeant]

Do you dream about me? Are they nice dreams with unicorns and rabbits and candy floss?

Return of serve backhand winner 15 love

[MrPlum]

I think this does a pretty good job of debunking the whole man-made Global Warming hypothesis and levels the rather serious charge that it is 'anti-human'.

[STEVE G]

I think this does a pretty good job of debunking the whole man-made Global Warming hypothesis and levels the rather serious charge that it is 'anti-human'.

I don't have time to watch an hour of TV (about anything!), what does he say?

[sargeant]

I watched most of it

Save yourself some time look at ostriches with their heads in the sand

[MrPlum]

I don't have time to watch an hour of TV (about anything!), what does he say?

I doubt there is anything that hasn't already been said on the two GW threads. The video is useful as a refresher and for newbies.

It presents, in a way anyone can understand, the development of the AGW hypothesis; the communistic bent of the environmental movement; previous climate scares; the reliance on models; the myth of scientific consensus; the influence of grant money; the refusal to acknowledge, or publicize, that climate is not acting in line with projections; the politicization of climate change and a variety of other aspects. You can see how the idea was nurtured into becoming a bandwagon.

There is too much info to transcribe, so I will just mention the 'anti-human' charge. Solar and wind power is too expensive for under-developed nations, who are reliant on cheaper fossil fuels to industrialize. If they are constrained from extracting their own natural energy resources they will be without cheap power, which means continued poverty and its consequences... shorter life expectancy, disease, death etc..

Isn't it better to save these people today, than worry about a hypothetical threat, decades away, from climate modellers, tweaking the data, to get exaggerated results that keep them in jobs and funding?

[Frank Hovis]

I watched it this morning and as Mr Plum notes above the first 50 minutes is basically 'the science' being used to say "Yes, the earth is warmer now than it was 150 years ago, but it's not because of man made CO2 and the temperatures are not outside the historic ranges".
It' s very well presented and quite believable but I doubt it will change anyone's mind so probably not worth watching for most.

The last ten minutes is all you need to watch regardless which side of the AGW fence you sit on and consider if that last ten minutes describes acceptable collateral damage or if it is the intended goal.

[STEVE G]

....the communistic bent of the environmental movement.

I have to say that I never understood the connection between communism and caring for the environment for the sake of our grand children and personally I tend to think that it's just an accusation used to scare Americans of a certain age as no one else seriously cares about a failed political movement that only survives as dictatorships in Cuba and North Korea. However, I see that the Martin Durkin, who made that movie in 2007 was a member of a Trotskyist organisation in the UK in the 1980's, the Revolutionary Communist Party so perhaps that is where the idea comes from.
Whatever political party you follow, it's not going to change the physical attributes of the atmosphere!

[MrPlum]

I have to say that I never understood the connection between communism and caring for the environment for the sake of our grand children and personally I tend to think that it's just an accusation used to scare Americans of a certain age as no one else seriously cares about a failed political movement that only survives as dictatorships in Cuba and North Korea.

All-conquering global financial imperialism looks pretty unassailable right now but the EU, with its communistic 'apparatchiks', like Barroso. Or Obama's statism, doesn't look much like a failed movement.

Czech Republic ex-President Vaclav Klaus had this to say...

'Communism and environmentalism—we are talking about two ideologies that are structurally very similar. They are against individual freedom. They are in favour of centralist master-minding of our fates. They are both very similar in telling us what to do, how to live, how to behave, what to eat, how to travel, what we can do and what we cannot do. There is a huge similarity in this respect.'

Changing the focus. This can't be good news for the AGW advocates... http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Eco ... 71013.html

'Fossil Fuel Euphoria'

The article is bursting with ifs, buts and maybes but the central idea that fossil fuels, even under Obama, will remain a central plank of U.S. energy policy, doesn't herald well for the AGW faction.

[STEVE G]

The article is bursting with ifs, buts and maybes but the central idea that fossil fuels, even under Obama, will remain a central plank of U.S. energy policy, doesn't herald well for the AGW faction.

Yes I quite agree, basically the world is buggered.

[PeteC]

I've yet to find a complete list this morning. Pete

"......The climate crisis of the 21st century has been caused largely by just 90 companies, which between them produced nearly two-thirds of the greenhouse gas emissions generated since the dawning of the industrial age, new research suggests.

The companies range from investor-owned firms – household names such as Chevron, Exxon and BP – to state-owned and government-run firms......"

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... ate-change

[sandman67]

Re Right Wing America at its most stupid

http://crooksandliars.com/2013/12/gop-h ... earing-and

GOP Holds 'Factual' Climate Hearing, Says Scientists Know It's All A Hoax
Republicans in the House of Representatives on Wednesday held a so-called "factual" hearing about climate change and concluded that at least half of scientists suspected global warming was a hoax.


Im just sitting back at the moment watching the almost certain disaster of hydo-fracking developing (sort of) locally to mum and dads place. Guess we wont be drinking the tap water in a couple of years from now.

[Homer]

If AGW acceptance is a done deal and those who claim otherwise are routinely labeled 'deniers', then why does the left partisan media still lie about global warming?

About those 'passengers' and 'tourists' evacuated from the Russian research vessel trapped in Antarctic ice - didn't you wonder what they were doing on a research vessel? Those 'passengers' were all Ph.D's or students in Ph.D programs. It was a scientific expedition to retrace the steps of an Antartic expedition done 100 years ago. According to the expedition's website, the main aim of the mission was The three years’ worth of observations gleaned by Mawson and his men [100 years ago] provide a unique dataset against which we can compare the changes seen today.

Getting stuck in the summer ice pack when on a mission to show how much ice has melted is an inconvenient truth, one that was not reported by 97.5% of US network news shows between 25 Dec. and 1 Jan.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciand ... ming-missi

http://www.spiritofmawson.com/the-science-case/

[charlesh]

Yes Homer I had to have a laugh at that one too. The ice pack is thicker than their expectations.
PS the "scientists" also include an Australian Greens senator ha, ha.
The latest weather stats in Oz include a comment on the number of days above average for the year albeit it by dec. points of a degree. I wonder why they don't quote the number of days below the average.
Very easy to seize on the hottest day on record but not mention the unseasonally cooler summer for example.
With so much volcanic activity in recent weeks I wonder if they factor the enhanced CO2, SOX's, NOX's and particulate matter into their equations???

[STEVE G]

The latest weather stats in Oz include a comment on the number of days above average for the year albeit it by dec. points of a degree. I wonder why they don't quote the number of days below the average.
Very easy to seize on the hottest day on record but not mention the unseasonally cooler summer for example.

"2013 was Australia’s warmest year since records began in 1910. Mean temperatures across Australia have generally been well above average since September 2012. Long periods of warmer-than-average days have been common, with a distinct lack of cold weather. Nights have also been warmer than average, but less so than days.

The Australian area-averaged mean temperature for 2013 was +1.20 °C above the 1961–1990 average. Maximum temperatures were +1.45 °C above average, and minimum temperatures +0.94 °C above average. Temperatures were above average across nearly all of Australia for maximum, mean and minimum temperatures, with large areas of inland and southern Australia experiencing the highest on record for each.

Australia has experienced just one cooler-than-average year (2011) in the last decade. The 10-year mean temperature for 2004–2013 was 0.50 °C above average, the equal-highest on record. Averages for each of the ten-year periods from 1995–2004 to 2004–2013 have been amongst the top ten records."
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/annual/aus/2013/