What visa to manage a beach wear shop in Hua Hin?

[StevePIraq]

I have never asked what permit they are on. The goldsmith has his own shop in Bangkok his daughter also Swiss works there and one Thai person that is it.

The lawyer works for a large legal firm in BKK but is employed as a subcontractor so is self employed.

For the others I am not sure, it really does raise the question if the list of excluded professions is fixed or is it flexible depending on circumstances.

[STEVE G]

On the subject of occupations available to farangs in Thailand, I've noticed over the last couple of years that the local beaches are full of farangs teaching kite surfing so that might be an option for the younger generation. I haven't a clue what the legality of it is but there are a lot of people doing it, despite the fact that you're not supposed to run any business on a beach in Thailand.

[HHTel]

The work permit must state your place of work and that is where you must work from.
With regard to professions, the foreigner is usually employed as something else. For instance, you can't get a work permit as a lawyer or estate agent. But you can have a legal adviser/consultant and the same goes for other 'reserved occupations'. It's all in the wording.

[Henry 14th]

Exactly that HHTel, think of a job and reword it and off you go.

I have a few friends working for a British engineering firm in Bangkok. They have said in the past that it is the wording of the title and job description that gets looked at.

There is an issue, and quite rightly so, that if a local can do the same job as as a foreigner then the position must be filled by a local.


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[Jose]

in my previous job I was a IT support person, but my work permit claimed I was a internet security expert.

in my current job I am a ict manager but my permit claims I am a admissions support personal.

[richard]

I'm curious

So how do you get the right info to 'massage' the job description?

[hhinner]

^ Big companies use lawyers - or maybe legal advisors.

[Roel]

I personally experienced in the past that Labour Department did not accept title and job description in my WP application but they advised my employer in detail how it should be worded.

[margaretcarnes]

Thanks guys I appreciate all your replies... After hearing what everyone has got to say I have come to the decision that I wont do any work only look at the shop every so and then. After the shop is running if it is successful then I will get a work permit and we will fulfill all necessary requirements so I can legally work in the shop. As you said Khundon1975, lay on the beach and get a tan.. I will be doing this and traveling up and down the land of smiles on a bike looking at some nice beaches and bars.

Another thing, anyone have any nice beaches I can travel too from Hua Hin beach within a bikes ride distance (2-3 hours max)

And thanks again everyone.

YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO WORK IN THE SHOP - EVER - even with a work permit which, knowing the businesses down there, is highly unlikely to happen IMO. If you were trading in exclusively Australian - or other Western branded goods - it MIGHT be viewed differently, but I would still have doubts and to be honest tourists shopping down there tend to be looking for cheap end Thai goods - more 'ethnic' looking stuff.

OK let's just suppose that you do manage to get a work permit. Even that would only allow you to manage and train staff. NOTHING else. Although I did used to do the books and cash up after hours, but NEVER when my business was open. You can't clean, sell, take cash, or even unpack stock. And unfortunately in ANY (legally) farang run business there just 'popping in' now and then to oversee a business doesn't work.

[theprice01]

And they have already signed a lease?!? ''A fool and their money.....

[JamesWest]

wow the poor kids head is pounded into the ground.
good thing to ask questions here so you can learn what to say and do.

keep the real books and computer in a apartment or condo.
don't let anyone know what you are doing.
don't introduce yourself as the "owner or manager" BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT and never will be.
Forget work permits. Just try to do inventory contol before or after the doors open and then leave.
you are going to be at the TOTAL mercy of your dad's girlfriend.
how well does your dads girlfriend speak english?
does she know anything about business?
is she a farm girl who does not know what voicemail is?
no one will listen or do anything the way you want or think it should be done.
there is no way to keep secret in Thailand. everyone will know your personal business.

[HHTel]

And if you're seen to be 'working', there's always a jealous local who will 'shop' you.

[Jose]

just to say again

a friend of mine has a work permit so he can work in a petrol station in chonburi, his wife owns it.
He does the books.

Also I am fairly sure if a job roles main purpose is to deal with customers of a certain nationality then you can get a wp.

This is why telesales and admissions/marketing work permits are quite easy to get.

[margaretcarnes]

wow the poor kids head is pounded into the ground.
good thing to ask questions here so you can learn what to say and do.

keep the real books and computer in a apartment or condo.
don't let anyone know what you are doing.
don't introduce yourself as the "owner or manager" BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT and never will be.
Forget work permits. Just try to do inventory contol before or after the doors open and then leave.
you are going to be at the TOTAL mercy of your dad's girlfriend.
how well does your dads girlfriend speak english?
does she know anything about business?
is she a farm girl who does not know what voicemail is?
no one will listen or do anything the way you want or think it should be done.
there is no way to keep secret in Thailand. everyone will know your personal business.

Very good points there JW. Especially that, without a work permit the OP will be totally at the mercy of the girlfriend, who may or may not talk! Which would give her a position of control over Dads investment.
I know I ranted about this earlier. I also realise though that it can be very hard for newbies to Thailand to believe the scams which go on there. We can all be too trusting at times, even with fellow expats. And we all know fellow expats who have been screwed or worse. Even in peaceful little HuaHin.
HHTel has kindly posted the list of 'no go' jobs for farang. I hope the OP has taken that on board. Yes - as someone else has said there are farang who seem to get away with doing some of those jobs on the list. I have met an English guy in CM market sitting doing wood carving there, and another farang openly working on a market stall. But we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. There ARE a few farang around who have been granted Thai citizenship, and there ARE also some - even in HH - who somehow get on the right side of the authorities.
My final words to the OP would be - trawl through old posts on here to get an idea of the bad things that can happen. Imagine how you might feel faced with interrogation by Immigration officers, and faced with the possibility of time in one of their cells awating deportation. And please believe what people have said about those big shots in Pattaya whose stories you can never believe. Because believe me - you can't.
If you can handle all that go for it.

[theprice01]

I also realise though that it can be very hard for newbies to Thailand to believe the scams which go on there. We can all be too trusting at times, even with fellow expats. And we all know fellow expats who have been screwed or worse. Even in peaceful little HuaHin.
And please believe what people have said about those big shots in Pattaya whose stories you can never believe. Because believe me - you can't.

100% right, you can never be completely sure if your getting the whole truth out of anyone.
And if your wondering what fellow expats not to trust...they are the ones who say 'oh yeah, never trust a Thai'.

I think someone stepped on it earlier but i'll say it again, enjoy Thailand for what it is and don't expect to make much money, if any.