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Why wild animals are a key ingredient in China's coronavirus outbreak
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Before its closure, exotic animals — from snakes to civet cats — were available at a wet market in the central Chinese city of Wuhan that is ground zero of a new virus killing people with pneumonia-like symptoms and infecting growing numbers of others around the world.
According to official reports, as of 11pm Wednesday, the previously unknown coronavirus had killed 17 people and infected 541 others.
Most of the infections and all of the deaths were in Hubei province where Wuhan is located, including 375 in the city itself. Many worked or lived near Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market, which experts believe is the source of the outbreak, with the virus jumping from wild animals on sale there.
The market was shut down in late December at the start of the outbreak and is now under surveillance by security staff.
One stall that was on the east side of the market caught people's attention online. According to a menu posted by the stallholder on Dazhong Dianping — the most popular review and rating app in China, around 100 varieties of live animals and poultry were available, from foxes to wolf cubs and masked palm civets.
The civets are thought by the World Health Organisation to have been an intermediate host carrying a virus from bats that jumped to humans in a wet market in Guangdong province near Hong Kong that led to the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) in 2002-03. Sars killed 774 people worldwide and infected 8,098 in total.
Residents confirmed that crab, shrimp and striped bass were the main items sold in the 50,000 square metre market, but in other corners, exotic animals were also on offer.
A woman living nearby surnamed Ai, 59, said she saw some stallholders selling live animals in the market.
"There were turtles, snakes, rats, hedgehogs and pheasants," she said. She added that more stalls in the west part of the market sold live animals.
Another stallholder who sells vegetables near the seafood market said he knew the market sold live animals.
"Some stalls have more kinds [of live animals] and some have less, but they have sold these for a long time," he said, declining to give his name because of the sensitivity of the issue.
A notice from the Wuhan Administration for Industry and Commerce in September also showed that live animals were on sale in the market. In the notice, it said government officials inspected eight stalls that sold live animals, including tiger frogs, snakes, and hedgehogs, and checked their wildlife business licences and approval documents. "Unapproved wildlife business is strictly forbidden," it said.
Captive breeding of wildlife for commercial purposes is allowed in China but companies must get a licence from provincial authorities, according to the national wildlife protection law.
Health authorities in Wuhan said on Sunday they would increase controls on agriculture and seafood markets, and ban the sale of live poultry and wildlife.
That ban was spelt out in banners hanging from the gate and along the streets to Wuhan's Bashazhou agricultural market just outside the third ring road on Tuesday. The market is the biggest wholesale outlet of its kind in central China and sells vegetables, fruit, seafood and agricultural by-products. But one of the vendors, Duan, who mainly sells salmon, said he had never heard about wild animals being traded in the market.
There was also no obvious sign of live poultry or wildlife for sale 1,000km away at a wet market in Yuexiu district in Guangzhou, a city known for adventurous diners.
Many mainland cities including Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Beijing have banned sales of live poultry and animals in their downtown area in the wake of epidemic disease outbreaks in recent years.
However, one Yuexiu vendor said he had live chickens for sale. "Wait a moment. I'll get it from the back door," he said.
Trading was hectic in a market in Conghua district, also in Guangzhou, where the sale of live poultry was legal. Live chickens were sold at 17 yuan (75 baht) for half a kilogram at some stands, where dozens of potential customers were in lively bargaining with stall holders, undeterred by developments in Wuhan.
Zhong Nanshan, director of the China State Key Laboratory of Respiratory Disease and a world expert on the Sars virus, said after a visit to Wuhan that the source of the new type coronavirus was probably from wildlife, such as bamboo rats or badgers.
"The outbreak concentrated in two districts in Wuhan, where there are big seafood markets," Zhong said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Monday.
"While they are called seafood markets, many vendors are selling game. According to preliminary epidemiological analysis, the virus is probably transmitted from wildlife [at the markets] to humans."
Shi Zhengli, a researcher with the Wuhan Institute of Virology at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, said the real problem was in people's behaviour, rather than with the animals.
"The simplest way to prevent such infectious diseases is to stay away from wildlife, say no to game, avoid their habitats and livestock and farms mixing with wildlife," Shi said.
Hu Xingdou, an independent political economist, said Chinese people's love for eating wildlife had deep cultural, economic and political roots.
"While the West values freedom and other human rights, Chinese people view food as their primary need because starving is a big threat and an unforgettable part of the national memory," Hu said.
"While feeding themselves is not a problem to many Chinese nowadays, eating novel food or meat, organs or parts from rare animals or plants has become a measure of identity to some people."
The 2003 Sars outbreak saw a decline in consumption of exotic animals by normally adventurous Chinese diners in the following years. According to a survey released in 2006 by San Francisco-based WildAid and the official China Wildlife Conservation Association, about 70% of 24,000 people surveyed in 16 mainland cities had not eaten wild animals in the previous year, up from 51% in a similar survey in 1999. While number fell, it showed 30% of those surveyed were still eating wildlife.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/18421 ... k#cxrecs_s
Before its closure, exotic animals — from snakes to civet cats — were available at a wet market in the central Chinese city of Wuhan that is ground zero of a new virus killing people with pneumonia-like symptoms and infecting growing numbers of others around the world.
According to official reports, as of 11pm Wednesday, the previously unknown coronavirus had killed 17 people and infected 541 others.
Most of the infections and all of the deaths were in Hubei province where Wuhan is located, including 375 in the city itself. Many worked or lived near Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market, which experts believe is the source of the outbreak, with the virus jumping from wild animals on sale there.
The market was shut down in late December at the start of the outbreak and is now under surveillance by security staff.
One stall that was on the east side of the market caught people's attention online. According to a menu posted by the stallholder on Dazhong Dianping — the most popular review and rating app in China, around 100 varieties of live animals and poultry were available, from foxes to wolf cubs and masked palm civets.
The civets are thought by the World Health Organisation to have been an intermediate host carrying a virus from bats that jumped to humans in a wet market in Guangdong province near Hong Kong that led to the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) in 2002-03. Sars killed 774 people worldwide and infected 8,098 in total.
Residents confirmed that crab, shrimp and striped bass were the main items sold in the 50,000 square metre market, but in other corners, exotic animals were also on offer.
A woman living nearby surnamed Ai, 59, said she saw some stallholders selling live animals in the market.
"There were turtles, snakes, rats, hedgehogs and pheasants," she said. She added that more stalls in the west part of the market sold live animals.
Another stallholder who sells vegetables near the seafood market said he knew the market sold live animals.
"Some stalls have more kinds [of live animals] and some have less, but they have sold these for a long time," he said, declining to give his name because of the sensitivity of the issue.
A notice from the Wuhan Administration for Industry and Commerce in September also showed that live animals were on sale in the market. In the notice, it said government officials inspected eight stalls that sold live animals, including tiger frogs, snakes, and hedgehogs, and checked their wildlife business licences and approval documents. "Unapproved wildlife business is strictly forbidden," it said.
Captive breeding of wildlife for commercial purposes is allowed in China but companies must get a licence from provincial authorities, according to the national wildlife protection law.
Health authorities in Wuhan said on Sunday they would increase controls on agriculture and seafood markets, and ban the sale of live poultry and wildlife.
That ban was spelt out in banners hanging from the gate and along the streets to Wuhan's Bashazhou agricultural market just outside the third ring road on Tuesday. The market is the biggest wholesale outlet of its kind in central China and sells vegetables, fruit, seafood and agricultural by-products. But one of the vendors, Duan, who mainly sells salmon, said he had never heard about wild animals being traded in the market.
There was also no obvious sign of live poultry or wildlife for sale 1,000km away at a wet market in Yuexiu district in Guangzhou, a city known for adventurous diners.
Many mainland cities including Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Beijing have banned sales of live poultry and animals in their downtown area in the wake of epidemic disease outbreaks in recent years.
However, one Yuexiu vendor said he had live chickens for sale. "Wait a moment. I'll get it from the back door," he said.
Trading was hectic in a market in Conghua district, also in Guangzhou, where the sale of live poultry was legal. Live chickens were sold at 17 yuan (75 baht) for half a kilogram at some stands, where dozens of potential customers were in lively bargaining with stall holders, undeterred by developments in Wuhan.
Zhong Nanshan, director of the China State Key Laboratory of Respiratory Disease and a world expert on the Sars virus, said after a visit to Wuhan that the source of the new type coronavirus was probably from wildlife, such as bamboo rats or badgers.
"The outbreak concentrated in two districts in Wuhan, where there are big seafood markets," Zhong said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Monday.
"While they are called seafood markets, many vendors are selling game. According to preliminary epidemiological analysis, the virus is probably transmitted from wildlife [at the markets] to humans."
Shi Zhengli, a researcher with the Wuhan Institute of Virology at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, said the real problem was in people's behaviour, rather than with the animals.
"The simplest way to prevent such infectious diseases is to stay away from wildlife, say no to game, avoid their habitats and livestock and farms mixing with wildlife," Shi said.
Hu Xingdou, an independent political economist, said Chinese people's love for eating wildlife had deep cultural, economic and political roots.
"While the West values freedom and other human rights, Chinese people view food as their primary need because starving is a big threat and an unforgettable part of the national memory," Hu said.
"While feeding themselves is not a problem to many Chinese nowadays, eating novel food or meat, organs or parts from rare animals or plants has become a measure of identity to some people."
The 2003 Sars outbreak saw a decline in consumption of exotic animals by normally adventurous Chinese diners in the following years. According to a survey released in 2006 by San Francisco-based WildAid and the official China Wildlife Conservation Association, about 70% of 24,000 people surveyed in 16 mainland cities had not eaten wild animals in the previous year, up from 51% in a similar survey in 1999. While number fell, it showed 30% of those surveyed were still eating wildlife.
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
Very true! I would (perhaps daftly) assume that if they were showing symptoms they wouldn't have been able to travel from China. This also highlights where airport etc. checks are ineffective (incubation period etc.)dtaai-maai wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:28 am Of course, we don't know whether these people travelled with said symptoms or they developed after arrival. As has been mentioned, there is a substantial incubation period.
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
Fifth coronavirus case in Thailand
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Deputy Public Health Minister Satit Pitutecha has confirmed a fifth case of coronavirus infection has been detected in Thailand - a 33-year-old woman tourist from China.
Mr Satit said on Friday the patient and her 7-year-old daughter by plane in Bangkok from Wuhan on Tuesday, and the mother showed symptoms of having the virus.
She is being treated in an isolation room at Rajavithi Hopsital. Doctors found no signs that the virus has spread to other people in Thailand, the minister said.
The girl showed no sign of illness.
The fourth patient is being treated in Nakhon Pathom Hopsital in Muang district of the central province.
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Deputy Public Health Minister Satit Pitutecha has confirmed a fifth case of coronavirus infection has been detected in Thailand - a 33-year-old woman tourist from China.
Mr Satit said on Friday the patient and her 7-year-old daughter by plane in Bangkok from Wuhan on Tuesday, and the mother showed symptoms of having the virus.
She is being treated in an isolation room at Rajavithi Hopsital. Doctors found no signs that the virus has spread to other people in Thailand, the minister said.
The girl showed no sign of illness.
The fourth patient is being treated in Nakhon Pathom Hopsital in Muang district of the central province.
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We were supposed to have Chinese school children visiting our school a week from now and I was supposed to fly to Shanghai the same evening to teach in two Chinese school camps in Shanghai. Both events have now been cancelled by the Chinese side. So someone there is taking this seriously.
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One curious thing. The "authorities" have announced that the incubation period, the time between being exposed to the virus and developing symptoms, is 14 days. This is extraordinary long, the usual IP of a flu bug is 2 to 4 days.
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This is going to put a significant dent into Thailand's tourist arrivals while it's in effect.
China orders travel agencies to suspend tours to contain virus outbreak
https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/18 ... s-outbreak
China has ordered all travel agencies to suspend sales of domestic and international tours as part of an effort to contain the spread of a novel coronavirus that has killed 25 and sickened hundreds.
The Ministry of Culture and Tourism ordered travel agencies and tourism companies to stop selling tour packages beginning Friday, according to a document seen by Bloomberg...... (Full story at link)
China orders travel agencies to suspend tours to contain virus outbreak
https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/18 ... s-outbreak
China has ordered all travel agencies to suspend sales of domestic and international tours as part of an effort to contain the spread of a novel coronavirus that has killed 25 and sickened hundreds.
The Ministry of Culture and Tourism ordered travel agencies and tourism companies to stop selling tour packages beginning Friday, according to a document seen by Bloomberg...... (Full story at link)
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I was in Beijing during SARS in 2003, I do remember one interesting stat from the SARS attack. In Beijing the city closed down for several weeks and people were told to stay home which they did. The roads were empty and there was almost NO traffic. Because of this the deaths from traffic incidents was down significantly--by how much?? by more than the number of people dying from SARS, You can argue that SARS saved lives.
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Because this is not a 'flu bug'. It's a coronavirus similar to the SARS virus. Incubation periods are significantly longer.oakdale160 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:23 am One curious thing. The "authorities" have announced that the incubation period, the time between being exposed to the virus and developing symptoms, is 14 days. This is extraordinary long, the usual IP of a flu bug is 2 to 4 days.
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The reported incubation period is as follows:
"The incubation period is usually seven days, with two to three days the minimum period and 10 to 12 days the maximum. It is spread through human-to-human transmission and there are also medical-staff infections. The virus may mutate, so there is further risk of spread."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51222384
"The incubation period is usually seven days, with two to three days the minimum period and 10 to 12 days the maximum. It is spread through human-to-human transmission and there are also medical-staff infections. The virus may mutate, so there is further risk of spread."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51222384
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China coronavirus: Death toll rises as disease spreads
Health officials in China say a coronavirus has killed 15 more people in the province of Hubei, where the outbreak first started.
There are currently 1,287 confirmed cases in China, 41 of whom have died.......
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51245680
Health officials in China say a coronavirus has killed 15 more people in the province of Hubei, where the outbreak first started.
There are currently 1,287 confirmed cases in China, 41 of whom have died.......
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51245680
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That goes against what many sources say :PeteC wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:25 am The reported incubation period is as follows:
"The incubation period is usually seven days, with two to three days the minimum period and 10 to 12 days the maximum. It is spread through human-to-human transmission and there are also medical-staff infections. The virus may mutate, so there is further risk of spread."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51222384
But officials acknowledged that some people who have become infected may not have symptoms since there can be a 14-day incubation period.
The incubation period of the coronavirus remains unknown. Some sources say it could be between 10 to 14 days.
There are many more similar reports. At the end of the day, I don't think it's known at present and any statements are guesswork.Additionally, there is a mean 10-day delay between infection and detection, comprising a 5- to 6-day incubation period and a 4- to 5-day delay from symptom onset to detection/hospitalization.
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‘We'll all be doomed’: Inside China’s coronavirus infection zone as death toll grows
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Chinese coronavirus origin city Wuhan has taken on the appearance of “doomsday” as clogged hospitals are forced to turn sick people away, leaving them with no choice but to go home or wait outside.
One woman has travelled to multiple hospitals seeking urgent treatment for her ill husband, but was refused from each one and left stranded outside and with no option but to watch while he coughed up blood.
“People just keep dying, no one is taking care of the bodies. If this goes on like this, we will all be doomed,” the woman, named Xiaoxi, told The South China Morning Post.
“I am desperate, I have lost count of time and days. I don’t know if we will both live to see the new year.”
She said her husband had been regularly coughing up blood and had a fever, but no hospital would take him in due to a lack of available beds.
Hospitals in Wuhan are at capacity with at least 12 nearby cities and 36 million people being placed into lockdown.
The total number of confirmed cases in China now stands at 1,287, the National Health Commission said, with 41 having been killed.
More than 1,300 people are infected globally, including a man who on Saturday was confirmed as the first victim in Australia.
He is in a stable condition and has been isolated in Melbourne to undergo treatment, Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos said.
The vast majority of the cases and all of the confirmed deaths to date have been in China, but the virus has also been detected in Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Nepal, France and the United States.
Footage, shared by news site Shanghaiist, from “ground zero” in Wuhan has emerged showing a hospital packed wall-to-wall with mask-wearing members of the public anxiously looking for help.
The virus is feared to have been caused by people in China eating the dead bodies of bats.
Confronting images from Wuhan showed panicked locals stocking up on supplies as the city and its neighbouring areas were thrown into lockdown this week.
In Australia, five people are undergoing testing for the virus in NSW and two in Queensland, with a number of people having already been cleared in both states.
France has had three people test positive - the disease's first appearance in Europe.
Two cases, including a Chicago woman returning from China, have been confirmed in the United States.
Other than in Victoria, no more victims have been confirmed in Australia.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/people-just-k ... 38374.html
Chinese coronavirus origin city Wuhan has taken on the appearance of “doomsday” as clogged hospitals are forced to turn sick people away, leaving them with no choice but to go home or wait outside.
One woman has travelled to multiple hospitals seeking urgent treatment for her ill husband, but was refused from each one and left stranded outside and with no option but to watch while he coughed up blood.
“People just keep dying, no one is taking care of the bodies. If this goes on like this, we will all be doomed,” the woman, named Xiaoxi, told The South China Morning Post.
“I am desperate, I have lost count of time and days. I don’t know if we will both live to see the new year.”
She said her husband had been regularly coughing up blood and had a fever, but no hospital would take him in due to a lack of available beds.
Hospitals in Wuhan are at capacity with at least 12 nearby cities and 36 million people being placed into lockdown.
The total number of confirmed cases in China now stands at 1,287, the National Health Commission said, with 41 having been killed.
More than 1,300 people are infected globally, including a man who on Saturday was confirmed as the first victim in Australia.
He is in a stable condition and has been isolated in Melbourne to undergo treatment, Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos said.
The vast majority of the cases and all of the confirmed deaths to date have been in China, but the virus has also been detected in Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Nepal, France and the United States.
Footage, shared by news site Shanghaiist, from “ground zero” in Wuhan has emerged showing a hospital packed wall-to-wall with mask-wearing members of the public anxiously looking for help.
The virus is feared to have been caused by people in China eating the dead bodies of bats.
Confronting images from Wuhan showed panicked locals stocking up on supplies as the city and its neighbouring areas were thrown into lockdown this week.
In Australia, five people are undergoing testing for the virus in NSW and two in Queensland, with a number of people having already been cleared in both states.
France has had three people test positive - the disease's first appearance in Europe.
Two cases, including a Chicago woman returning from China, have been confirmed in the United States.
Other than in Victoria, no more victims have been confirmed in Australia.
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Re: China Coronavirus
the World Health Organization said that the SARs virus isn't critical yet. How many people have to become infected and die before it becomes a problem? The UN of health. Wring hands, do nothing.
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Although similar and from the same family, this is not SARS.
It appears to be more infectious but less severe than SARS but is spreading faster.
The Chinese health authorities also claim the incubation period to be around 14 days.
I'd think with almost 1,300 cases and 41 deaths, they should know more about the disease than most.
I read on one site that it originates from either snakes or bats but not sure which.
The Chinese do eat both.
It appears to be more infectious but less severe than SARS but is spreading faster.
The Chinese health authorities also claim the incubation period to be around 14 days.
I'd think with almost 1,300 cases and 41 deaths, they should know more about the disease than most.
I read on one site that it originates from either snakes or bats but not sure which.
The Chinese do eat both.