Covid-19 News & Updates

Temporary sub-forum for all news, updates, developments and discussion on Coronavirus/Covid-19 in Hua Hin, Thailand and globally. Any and all topics on the outbreak will be moved into this forum for ease of information access.
User avatar
Nereus
Hero
Hero
Posts: 11046
Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:01 pm
Location: Camped by a Billabong

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by Nereus »

You’re not welcome here! Thai Health Minister refuses request to berth in Thailand
You cannot take too much notice of anything published here:
Cruise ship has not applied to enter Thailand
https://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/ea ... d#cxrecs_s
12 Feb 2020 at 17:12
The Marine Department on Wednesday confirmed the cruise ship Westerdam had not yet asked to enter Thailand, having already been refused entry by three other countries due to fears of coronavirus infections on board.
May you be in heaven half an hour before the devil know`s you`re dead!
User avatar
buksida
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 24133
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 12:25 pm
Location: south of sanity

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by buksida »

Yet the same ministers have let planes from China land here unrestricted since the outbreak began. :banghead:
Who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed? - Hunter S Thompson
User avatar
J.J.B.
Guru
Guru
Posts: 975
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:03 pm

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by J.J.B. »

HHTel wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:41 pm. That's true but I wish they wouldn't use the word 'cured' (now isn't that misleading?) There is no cure. It's about people recovering.
I think it depends on whether people received treatment or not. If a patient with the virus received no intervention and spontaneously recovered then it’s not a ‘cure’ as such. If, however, they were treated with retroviral medication, antibiotics for secondary, opportunistic infections, hydrated with IV fluids and kept on oxygen, it’s reasonable to assume they were cured. Many virus infections don’t kill the host directly, they compromise the immune system to such an extent that the patient is susceptible to other pathogens or to the effects of an overwhelming immune response that damages too many healthy cells.

You are right that anyone who had the disease complex caused by Covid-19 and recovered technically cured themselves, but often not without a lot of help!
"A man who does not think for himself, does not think at all."
Wilde
User avatar
dtaai-maai
Hero
Hero
Posts: 14924
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:00 pm
Location: UK, Robin Hood country

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by dtaai-maai »

Nereus wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:36 pm
You’re not welcome here! Thai Health Minister refuses request to berth in Thailand
You cannot take too much notice of anything published here:
Cruise ship has not applied to enter Thailand
https://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/ea ... d#cxrecs_s
12 Feb 2020 at 17:12
The Marine Department on Wednesday confirmed the cruise ship Westerdam had not yet asked to enter Thailand, having already been refused entry by three other countries due to fears of coronavirus infections on board.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51484625
A cruise ship that was stranded at sea, because ports were worried about passengers bringing coronavirus, has been allowed to dock in Cambodia.

The odyssey of the MS Westerdam saw it turned away by five places in Asia.

Another cruise ship in quarantine in Japan has more than 200 infections - but the Westerdam, with more than 2,000 crew and passengers, has none.

Only on Tuesday, the cruise liner attempted to dock in Bangkok but was denied permission.

Are cruise ships really 'floating petri dishes'?
Sharp increase in coronavirus deaths and cases

A Thai Navy ship escorted her out of the Gulf of Thailand, from where she set course for Cambodia.
This is the way
HHTel
Hero
Hero
Posts: 11034
Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:44 pm

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by HHTel »

J.J.B. wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:33 pm
HHTel wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:41 pm. That's true but I wish they wouldn't use the word 'cured' (now isn't that misleading?) There is no cure. It's about people recovering.
I think it depends on whether people received treatment or not. If a patient with the virus received no intervention and spontaneously recovered then it’s not a ‘cure’ as such. If, however, they were treated with retroviral medication, antibiotics for secondary, opportunistic infections, hydrated with IV fluids and kept on oxygen, it’s reasonable to assume they were cured. Many virus infections don’t kill the host directly, they compromise the immune system to such an extent that the patient is susceptible to other pathogens or to the effects of an overwhelming immune response that damages too many healthy cells.

You are right that anyone who had the disease complex caused by Covid-19 and recovered technically cured themselves, but often not without a lot of help!
Can't really argue with what you say. However, it's the symptoms that are treated, if serious enough, not the virus. The common cold is a coronavirus and is treated for the symptoms. I don't think anyone will say that the common cold can be cured.

Now the 'flu shot is a vaccine that attacks the virus although only gives up to 60% protection and the shot itself can produce mild symptoms.

N.B. 'flu has killed 58,000 so far this year alone.
sateeb
Rock Star
Rock Star
Posts: 4704
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:51 am
Location: Hua Hin

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by sateeb »

N.B. 'flu has killed 58,000 so far this year alone.

Well said HHTel nobody running about flapping arms about 58k deaths from good ole Flu :banghead:
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

― George Carlin
“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.” -George Orwell.
User avatar
pharvey
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 15851
Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:21 am
Location: Sir Fynwy - God's Country

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by pharvey »

And yesterday they were saying the Death Rate had slowed.....

"The number of deaths and infections caused by the coronavirus in China has risen dramatically after authorities changed the way they calculate the figures amid an ongoing purge of party officials in the stricken province of Hubei and in Hong Kong.

Figures released on Thursday morning showed deaths in Hubei, the epicentre of the deadly outbreak, had increased by 254 and new confirmed cases rose by over 15,000 – a jump of about a third on the total so far.

With data from other provinces still being collated, the number of people who have died from the infection on the mainland is now 1,380.

In Shiyan, a city in central Hubei, authorities have instituted “war-time measures,” where only those actively involved in fighting the virus are allowed to leave their homes. From Thursday, all buildings will be sealed. Residential areas will also be sealed and put under 24-hour watch. Public security will enforce the measures.

“Residents without prior approval are forbidden from leaving their home, building or residential compound,” the government notice said. Those who break the rules “will be detained without exception”, it said.

Hubei’s health commission said on Thursday that it was now including in its confirmed tally those people diagnosed via CT scans as well as via testing kits. Previously, authorities had included only those cases confirmed by the diagnostic testing kits, which are in short supply.

The change in diagnostic criteria appeared aimed at heading off complaints about the availability of tests and treatment for residents, as well as questions about whether officials have been underreporting.

The shortage of the testing kits has meant that many sick residents have been unable to seek treatment, with hospital admission contingent on the test result. Health workers have been calling for authorities to broaden the parameters for diagnosing the virus in order to treat more patients. Some have also questioned the reliability of the tests."



Taken From: - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -new-cases
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things" - Yma o Hyd.
HHTel
Hero
Hero
Posts: 11034
Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:44 pm

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by HHTel »

That's the first explanation as to why they now include those clinically tested.
The change in diagnostic criteria appeared aimed at heading off complaints about the availability of tests and treatment for residents, as well as questions about whether officials have been under reporting.
Surely that will exaggerate the numbers of cases and deaths (which is what has happened). I'm sure many of clinically tested cases will not prove to be confirmed. It adds a lot of doubt to the figures coming out of China.

I think the time has come to produce separate stats i.e. Those within the Hubei province and those outside to include the rest of the world. Assuming that Hubei is pretty well locked down, excluding them would give a more realistic picture.
Hahuahin
Guru
Guru
Posts: 666
Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:29 pm

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by Hahuahin »

Has anyone seen any research into whether there is any correlation between the spread of Corona and climate?
Thank you
hahuahin
User avatar
migrant
Addict
Addict
Posts: 6042
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:15 am
Location: California is now in the past hello Thailand!!

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by migrant »

Looks like the declaration of a slow down was premature

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/0 ... /23925194/
The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time.
HHTel
Hero
Hero
Posts: 11034
Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:44 pm

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by HHTel »

migrant wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:32 pm Looks like the declaration of a slow down was premature

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/0 ... /23925194/
Not necessarily. These massive rises to the numbers are not confirmed cases but people that have been diagnosed with lung infections from a CT scan. How many of those cases and deaths were caused by the coronavirus, we don't know.
Hahuahin wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:27 pm Has anyone seen any research into whether there is any correlation between the spread of Corona and climate?
Thank you
hahuahin
There have been many studies of weather vs viruses. Some spread easier in colder climates and are dormant in the hotter climes. That goes for 'flu and the common cold. SARS, MERS and Spanish 'Flu reacted to the weather. Regarding WuFlu, it has yet to be seen.
User avatar
PeteC
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 32341
Joined: Tue Mar 23, 2004 7:58 am
Location: All Blacks training camp

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by PeteC »

Why Singapore is so vulnerable to coronavirus spread

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51480613 . (Video and charts at link)

Several international cases of the coronavirus from the UK to South Korea can be traced back to Singapore and some countries are now advising against travel to the international hub. But while Singapore has been commended for its management of the crisis, the tiny city-state faces unique challenges.

Changi airport in Singapore is one of the most interconnected hubs in the world.

In fact, there's a flight taking off and arriving every 80 seconds here, making it more connected than JFK and San Francisco in the US and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

But the scenes there these days are very different.

Dozens of thermal scanners dot the terminals, automatically taking the temperature of passengers as they enter and exit Singapore.

Travellers are checked for fever, cold and cough symptoms - airport staff on the lookout for any sign of the coronavirus.

The country's open borders and interconnectedness as well as its pro-active approach to testing means it has reported one of the highest tallies outside mainland China - 50.

"We are vulnerable, but we have to do everything that we can to contain that spread of the virus," says Lawrence Wong, co-chair of Singapore's task force on the coronavirus.

But when a virus comes to Singapore it won't just affect this city. It can and has spread through Singapore to other countries around the world.

The meeting that infected the world
This became painfully obvious when one meeting held in a luxury hotel in mid-January spawned several coronavirus cases around the world.

More than 100 people attended the sales conference, including some from China.

About a week after that meeting, stories of confirmed coronavirus cases began popping up all over the world - from South Korea to Malaysia, the UK and even Spain.

The first Malaysian to catch the virus was a 41-year-old man who had attended the conference along with colleagues from China.

Subsequently, his sister and mother-in-law caught it from him.

Then, South Korea confirmed two infected cases of South Korean nationals who had also attended the meeting.

Singapore reported three cases: two Singaporean nationals and a permanent resident.

British national and super-spreader Steve Walsh was also at the Singapore conference.

After his meetings in the tropical city-state he flew to a French ski resort for a holiday, on his way back home.

He is thought to have infected 11 others while he was there - people who eventually flew elsewhere - leading to five cases in England, five in France, and one in Majorca, Spain.

This one meeting demonstrates how Singapore became a super-conductor for the virus.

And the worry is it's not just one conference.

Singapore is at risk of spreading the virus precisely because it is a top destination for business meetings and international travellers.

The city-state is a big draw for Chinese businesses too, given the close economic links between the two countries - 3.62m Chinese visitors came to Singapore in 2019, making up the largest group.

With Chinese tourists shunning Hong Kong because of the anti-government protests there, many chose to come to Singapore over the Lunar New Year holidays - which coincided with the coronavirus outbreak.

"We are very mindful that we are indeed an open economy, we are an international travel hub," Mr Wong says. "So we are doing all we can to contain that spread. We are putting out information in a very transparent manner and we continue to work with all health authorities overseas."

Steps Singapore is taking
At home, Singapore is stepping up its coronavirus response by taking extreme measures.

It immediately understood the implications of spread in a densely-populated city. Indeed, eight of the 50 cases reported so far have no known links to clusters that had been in contact with Chinese travellers from Wuhan. That is likely to be of concern because it means the linking cases out there could yet pass on the illness to others.

That's why Singapore has put in place a highly sophisticated contact tracing mechanism to hunt down every known possible contact of those infected so they can be quarantined or monitored.

It was the first country after North Korea and Russia to shut its borders to China and has enforced a strict 14-day leave of absence for Chinese nationals returning from the mainland who are permanent residents or have work permits

It has a zero tolerance approach to any breaches of the measures it has put in - and this is of comfort to many Singaporeans. Employees caught breaking isolation rules saw their work permits revoked and were barred from working in Singapore permanently.

Meanwhile, their employers have been banned from hiring foreigners for two years.

Singapore also distributed masks to more than a million households and has started a government-run WhatsApp group that provides daily updates to subscribers on the number of infected.

It's even cleared out university dorms to make room for quarantined patients, a move that was executed so quickly it took students by surprise.

Panic buying, shortage of masks
But while the measures have been applauded by international health experts, Singaporeans themselves have not always bought the government's messaging.

Social media comments show many Singaporeans don't believe the government's advice to wear masks only when you're unwell, suspecting a shortage of masks instead.

Many also complained Singapore didn't close borders to China soon enough.

And when authorities raised the health alert level last week, indicating the spread of the disease was severe, scores of Singaporeans rushed to the supermarkets to stock up on rice, instant noodles and toilet paper, worried the country was going into lockdown.

The panic abated only when Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong released a recorded message assuring his citizens there were more than enough supplies.

This level of control is only achievable in Singapore because of its centralised form of decision-making and the massive parliamentary majority the ruling party enjoys.

There are also strict restrictions on what you can say in the public domain about the coronavirus, with the country's anti-fake news law being used to curtail the spread of misinformation.

Lessons from Sars
Still, the main reason Singapore can move fast and quickly to fight the coronavirus is because it's so small, and it is clear that there is a plan in place - one that has been crafted from the harsh lessons of the Sars (severe acute respiratory syndrome) crisis in 2002-2003.

"You would see your colleagues one day at lunch, and then a few days later, you would hear that they are in the ICU, or worse - dead," says Dr Leong Hoe Nam, an infectious diseases specialist.

A Sars survivor, he was on the frontline treating people with the illness in a period that, he says, "scarred and traumatised Singaporeans".

Some 238 people were infected and 33 lost their lives.

"We are such a vulnerable country, so small and well connected," Dr Leong says.

"You could have a disease one day in China, or anywhere else in the world, and the next minute it could be in Singapore. Containment is actually unrealistic, I don't think China will be able to control it.

"I think a weakened form of the virus will emerge, like a common cold. That will be the eventuality of this virus."

Singapore has no choice but to be extra vigilant and transparent in its fight against this deadly disease. This country is dependent on the rest of the world for its economy, for its food, for its lifeline.

Its strict containment methods managed to stamp out Sars but in the last 10 years Singapore has become more - not less - integrated into the global economy, and more closely tied to China.

The stakes are much higher this time.
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Source
HHTel
Hero
Hero
Posts: 11034
Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:44 pm

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by HHTel »

Start of another day in the 'End of the World' saga. Figures updated at 07:45 Thai time today:

China has altered it's definition of cases and now include 'clinically diagnosed cases'

65,247 cases ( up 5,151)

Deaths: 1,489 (up 126)

6,992 recovered. (up 1,287)

Currently infected: 56,766 (up 3,738)
Mild cases 46,162 (81% of currently infected)
Serious or critical: 10,604 (19% of currently infected)

Recovered or died: 8,481
Recovered/discharged: 6,992 (82% of the total with outcome)
Died 1,489 (18% of cases with an outcome) Keep an eye on this percentage.

58,976 'flu deaths 2020
HHTel
Hero
Hero
Posts: 11034
Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:44 pm

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by HHTel »

In Thailand out of 33 cases, 12 have recovered and one is critical.

3 deaths outside of China with Japan reporting one death, a woman in her 80's.
HHTel
Hero
Hero
Posts: 11034
Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:44 pm

Re: China Coronavirus (Covid-19)

Post by HHTel »

When is this guy Anutin going to be gagged?
The Westerdam has been denied permission to berth at Laem Chabang Port in Chonburi because most of its passengers are from Hong Kong and the Chinese mainland, and China is dealing with an outbreak of the coronavirus COVID-19, he said.
Fact check:

Most of it's passengers are from US (344), Canada (142), UK (67) followed by The Netherlands, Germany, Australia.

There were 18 from Hong Kong, 1 each from mainland China and Taiwan.

The ship had been at sea for two weeks so had in effect been quarantined and no cases discovered despite regular health checks. After arriving in Cambodia checks were made on 20 passengers who had some illness symptoms. All came back negative. Passengers are expected to disembark today, Friday.

The majority are making their way back to their own countries which entails transit at BANGKOK. Thai authorities have no problem with that. So why block the liner in the first place. A good PR opportunity missed.
Post Reply