Covid-19 News & Updates

[handdrummer]

What these do is make your own cells produce the spike protein of SARS-COV-2 which your immune system is then supposed to recognise and build immunity.

Operative word: "supposed." And if it doesn't is an autopsy included in the fee?

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[dtaai-maai]

What these do is make your own cells produce the spike protein of SARS-COV-2 which your immune system is then supposed to recognise and build immunity.

Operative word: "supposed." And if it doesn't is an autopsy included in the fee?

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Handdrummer, your posts would make much more sense if you just used the quote function by clicking on the quotation mark above the post you are referring to.

[nil]

Nil, is there an approach to Covid-19 prevention/suppression that you approve of? Do you think it should be left to pursue its 'natural' course? Do you believe Covid-19 is a serious problem? Do you think there is some global conspiracy at work here?

These questions are not intended to be antagonistic, I'm genuinely interested to know where you are coming from on this whole issue.

Sure, we can't just rely on a vaccine because with respiratory disease they typically have a low efficacy. We need to allow herd immunity to build up, like we have done in the past. Luckily this virus is pretty harmless to the younger generation. 307 people without known comorbidity's have died in the UK under the age of 60. By comparison, 6000 people a year die in household accidents. The elderly with comorbidity's are most at risk. We can shield those and anyone else that feels at risk for a few months and everyone else lives as normal building up natural immunity. This is not much different to what we have done anyway - the government advised the elderly to shield themselves for months on end. Lockdowns have proved to be a disaster so we cannot keep persisting with this failed strategy.
This is basically what has been laid out in the Great Barrington Declaration which is gaining ground.

[HHTel]

How is herd immunity achieved?
There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 — vaccines and infection.

Vaccines
A vaccine for the virus that causes COVID-19 would be an ideal approach to achieving herd immunity. Vaccines create immunity without causing illness or resulting complications. Herd immunity makes it possible to protect the population from a disease, including those who can't be vaccinated, such as newborns or those who have compromised immune systems. Using the concept of herd immunity, vaccines have successfully controlled deadly contagious diseases such as smallpox, polio, diphtheria, rubella and many others.

Reaching herd immunity through vaccination sometimes has drawbacks, though. Protection from some vaccines can wane over time, requiring revaccination. Sometimes people don't get all of the shots that they need to be completely protected from a disease.

In addition, some people may object to vaccines because of religious objections, fears about the possible risks or skepticism about the benefits. People who object to vaccines often live in the same neighborhoods or attend the same religious services or schools. If the proportion of vaccinated people in a community falls below the herd immunity threshold, exposure to a contagious disease could result in the disease quickly spreading. Measles has recently resurged in several parts of the world with relatively low vaccination rates, including the United States. Opposition to vaccines can pose a real challenge to herd immunity.

Natural infection
Herd immunity can also be reached when a sufficient number of people in the population have recovered from a disease and have developed antibodies against future infection. For example, those who survived the 1918 flu (influenza) pandemic were later immune to infection with the H1N1 flu, a subtype of influenza A. During the 2009-10 flu season, H1N1 caused the respiratory infection in humans that was commonly referred to as swine flu.

However, there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19. First, it isn't yet clear if infection with the COVID-19 virus makes a person immune to future infection.

Research suggests that after infection with some coronaviruses, reinfection with the same virus — though usually mild and only happening in a fraction of people — is possible after a period of months or years. Further research is needed to determine the protective effect of antibodies to the virus in those who have been infected.

Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20486808

[HHTel]

This is basically what has been laid out in the Great Barrington Declaration which is gaining ground.

Thousands of the signatories to this declaration are fake. It allows anyone to sign as long as you can produce an email address.

fake names among its expert signatories, including “Dr Johnny Bananas” and “Professor Cominic Dummings”.

Others listed include a resident at the “university of your mum” and another supposed specialist whose name was the first verse of the Macarena.

Sky News discovered 18 self-declared homeopaths in the list of expert names and more than 100 therapists whose expertise included massage, hypnotherapy and Mongolian khoomii singing.

Dr Barnard Castle, a consultant eye doctor, as well as Dr Harold Shipman, have also signed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... anas-covid

[nil]

Yes, there had been a campaign to smear them by the lockdown zealots. But in what way does this discredit the message.

From The Times

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[dtaai-maai]

As someone who would be quite vulnerable to this virus, and who has not personally been too badly affected by the restrictions imposed, even I am beginning to wonder whether the treatment is worse than the disease. It would be interesting to know how much worse the medical situation would be without the debilitating lockdown, which is causing real suffering here in the UK.

[nil]

Coronavirus: WHO backflips on virus stance by condemning lockdowns

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... 7731c3da74

[caller]

Are you allergic to genetically modified chimp viruses? Because that's the delivery of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. It injects DNA into your cells. The Moderna messenger RNA vaccine uses a similar method of provoking an immune response. These are new types of vaccine tech (well, they have been in development for up to 30 years but have never produced a human vaccine). What these do is make your own cells produce the spike protein of SARS-COV-2 which your immune system is then supposed to recognise and build immunity. How fortunate there is a global pandemic where all the investment in these can finally be rewarded.

Are you an expert in this area of medicine? If not, could you make your cut and paste bias legible to a layman. Thanks.

[nil]

Are you allergic to genetically modified chimp viruses? Because that's the delivery of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. It injects DNA into your cells. The Moderna messenger RNA vaccine uses a similar method of provoking an immune response. These are new types of vaccine tech (well, they have been in development for up to 30 years but have never produced a human vaccine). What these do is make your own cells produce the spike protein of SARS-COV-2 which your immune system is then supposed to recognise and build immunity. How fortunate there is a global pandemic where all the investment in these can finally be rewarded.

Are you an expert in this area of medicine? If not, could you make your cut and paste bias legible to a layman. Thanks.

None of that was cut and paste (it probably would of made more sense if I had done) but you are free to research yourself.

[oakdale160]

NIL--The 7day average is very low, you omitted to say which country's stats you are quoting. that would be useful.

[nil]

NIL--The 7day average is very low, you omitted to say which country's stats you are quoting. that would be useful.

That was the UK from a newspaper article a couple of days ago.

[dtaai-maai]

Coronavirus: WHO backflips on virus stance by condemning lockdowns

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... 7731c3da74

The World Health Organization has warned leaders against relying on COVID-19 lockdowns to tackle outbreaks — after previously saying countries should be careful how quickly they re-open.

WHO envoy Dr. David Nabarro said that such restrictive measures should only be treated as a last resort, the British magazine The Spectator reported in a video interview.

“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Nabarro said.

“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

Nabarro said that there’s significant harm caused by tight restrictions, particularly on the global economy.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/11/who-warns ... ic-damage/

Does anyone else find it a little odd that more than 12 hours later there appears to be no sign of this story on the BBC website?

[buksida]

Coronavirus 'can survive for 28 days on surfaces': study
The coronavirus that causes Covid-19 can survive on items such as banknotes and phones for up to 28 days in cool, dark conditions, according to a study by Australia's national science agency.

Researchers at CSIRO's disease preparedness centre tested the longevity of SARS-CoV-2 in the dark at three temperatures, showing survival rates decreased as conditions became hotter, the agency said Monday.

The scientists found that at 20 degrees Celsius (68 degrees Fahrenheit), SARS-CoV-2 was "extremely robust" on smooth surfaces -- like mobile phone screens -- surviving for 28 days on glass, steel and plastic banknotes.

At 30 degrees Celsius, the survival rate dropped to seven days and plunged to just 24 hours at 40 degrees Celsius.

The virus survived for shorter periods on porous surfaces such as cotton -- up to 14 days at the lowest temperatures and less than 16 hours at the highest -- the researchers said.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/20007 ... aces-study

No idea how accurate the study is, but I'm guessing these guys know more about the virus than a bunch of bar stool virologists scouring social media to support their arguments ...

[Dannie Boy]

I’ve not opened the link but if it’s the same or similar to the report on BBC, the tests were conducted under “laboratory” conditions and therefore not representative of conditions where we live, so whilst it might give an indication of COVID having a longer “shelf life” than previously thought, they do suggest it’s unlikely to live the full 28 days


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