Vaccines - Covid 19

[STEVE G]

With respect to VAERS, the relevant point would be if the rate of events are proportional to the number of vaccines being administered, presumably in normal times there would be way less vaccination being carried out.

[nil]

In the United States around 50% of adults get the flu shot annually so there’s a high level of vaccination. Here’s some more concern from a doctor.

“ Nevertheless, what I am currently struggling with is the failure to report the reality of the morbidity caused by our current vaccination program within the health service and staff population. The levels of sickness after vaccination is unprecedented and staff are getting very sick and some with neurological symptoms which is having a huge impact on the health service function. Even the young and healthy are off for days, some for weeks, and some requiring medical treatment. Whole teams are being taken out as they went to get vaccinated together.”

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n810/rr-14

In my opinion you have to balance the risk of these vaccines. Covid is at highest risk for the elderly and those in poor health so vaccinations for this group would make sense.
But why on earth are they planning to vaccinate the whole population, especially children who are effectively at zero risk from this disease. It increasingly looks like there is another agenda behind this.

[HHTel]

especially children who are effectively at zero risk from this disease.

I'm not sure that's true:

Similar to adults, children with severe COVID-19 may develop respiratory failure, myocarditis, shock, acute renal failure, coagulopathy, and multi-organ system failure. Some children with COVID-19 have developed other serious problems like intussusception or diabetic ketoacidosis.

While fewer children have been sick with COVID-19 compared to adults, children can be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19, can get sick from COVID-19, and can spread the virus that causes COVID-19 to others. Children, like adults, who have COVID-19 but have no symptoms (“asymptomatic”) can still spread the virus to others.

Most children with COVID-19 have mild symptoms or have no symptoms at all. However, some children can get severely ill from COVID-19. They might require hospitalization, intensive care, or a ventilator to help them breathe. In rare cases, they might die.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ptoms.html

[Lost]

In the United States around 50% of adults get the flu shot annually so there’s a high level of vaccination. Here’s some more concern from a doctor.

“ Nevertheless, what I am currently struggling with is the failure to report the reality of the morbidity caused by our current vaccination program within the health service and staff population. The levels of sickness after vaccination is unprecedented and staff are getting very sick and some with neurological symptoms which is having a huge impact on the health service function. Even the young and healthy are off for days, some for weeks, and some requiring medical treatment. Whole teams are being taken out as they went to get vaccinated together.”

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n810/rr-14

In my opinion you have to balance the risk of these vaccines. Covid is at highest risk for the elderly and those in poor health so vaccinations for this group would make sense.
But why on earth are they planning to vaccinate the whole population, especially children who are effectively at zero risk from this disease. It increasingly looks like there is another agenda behind this.

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[nil]

I am thinking, unlike most other people that just get their information from government and controlled news sources.

[nil]

especially children who are effectively at zero risk from this disease.

I'm not sure that's true:

Similar to adults, children with severe COVID-19 may develop respiratory failure, myocarditis, shock, acute renal failure, coagulopathy, and multi-organ system failure. Some children with COVID-19 have developed other serious problems like intussusception or diabetic ketoacidosis.

While fewer children have been sick with COVID-19 compared to adults, children can be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19, can get sick from COVID-19, and can spread the virus that causes COVID-19 to others. Children, like adults, who have COVID-19 but have no symptoms (“asymptomatic”) can still spread the virus to others.

Most children with COVID-19 have mild symptoms or have no symptoms at all. However, some children can get severely ill from COVID-19. They might require hospitalization, intensive care, or a ventilator to help them breathe. In rare cases, they might die.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ptoms.html

Yes, and children get ill from other things as well. Compared to Covid in US

2019 to 2020 caused 188 child flu deaths
226 child deaths out from Covid (which is effectively over 2 seasons) out of the recorded 517,575 adult deaths.
And flu apparently disappeared last year for some unknown reason.

[dtaai-maai]

It increasingly looks like there is another agenda behind this.

I read with interest some of what you say, but then you go and spoil it all with comments like that.

[HHTel]

I am thinking, unlike most other people that just get their information from government and controlled news sources.

So this is just your opinion based upon 'cherry-picked' data from other sites.

There are hundreds of sources, many that contradict each other. 'Flu is not a reportable disease so stats are mostly assessments rather than fact.

[HHTel]

And flu apparently disappeared last year for some unknown reason

Not really unknown. It was predicted early last year.

“It is possible that the mitigation measures for SARS-CoV-2 [such as social distancing, remote working, and mask wearing] will help curb the spread of flu [and] other respiratory viruses as well, since these viruses are transmitted in similar ways,” said Dr. Ellen F. Foxman, an immunologist and Yale Medicine Laboratory Medicine physician.

Typically, school-aged children fuel the transmission of the flu in their communities.

Kids are known to transmit more of the flu virus and to spread it for longer, according to Schaffner.

“They’re the real engine. They spread it among themselves, and then they bring it home and give it to parents and relatives,” Schaffner said.

Landry said the safety measures put in place to prevent COVID-19 in schools — such as masks, physical distancing, staggered arrival times, and virtual learning — has likely offset flu transmission.

All that being said, the flu is still out there.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... -scattered

I could go on but it would be futile. The argument can be set from both sides with 'facts' to support which ever side of the argument you take.

[nil]

It increasingly looks like there is another agenda behind this.

I read with interest some of what you say, but then you go and spoil it all with comments like that.

You are not curious on why the only focus is on vaccines and the worldwide push for digital id’s and vaccination passports in order to gain back our freedoms. Think this will be temporary?
Drug treatments were found a year ago that were as safe and effective as vaccines. They could have saved a lot of lives if the information was not being suppressed. I recommend watching this, it is very interesting.

[nil]

I am thinking, unlike most other people that just get their information from government and controlled news sources.

So this is just your opinion based upon 'cherry-picked' data from other sites.

There are hundreds of sources, many that contradict each other. 'Flu is not a reportable disease so stats are mostly assessments rather than fact.

Lol. Said by the master of cherry picking. You were arguing with me not long ago saying there was no natural immunity and picking the only skeptical quote in a positive article on T cell immunity. Still believe there is no natural immunity?
And do you think children should be vaccinated?

[HHTel]

Lol. Said by the master of cherry picking. You were arguing with me not long ago saying there was no natural immunity and picking the only skeptical quote in a positive article on T cell immunity. Still believe there is no natural immunity?

I don't recall that. Please remind me.

And do you think children should be vaccinated?

Yes I do. As we did with measles, mumps, rubella, diptheria etc etc. We don't know as yet how long a covid vaccine works.

[Thailightzone]

Here are the vaccines approved/recognised by Thailand for people travelling into Thailand.




Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

[PeteC]

Well, that kind of eliminates any Russian tourists unless their "Sputnik" brand is up there under another name.

[PeteC]

The people who are running the show here should be ashamed, and I hope they melt into a puddle of lost face when they see things like the below. A tiny, truly backward country doing better than here. Shame.

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