Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[Dannie Boy]

Electric cars won't be mass produced for the average consumer until the world runs out of oil. And that's not happening anytime soon.

Oil & combustion engines are simply too much of a profit maker. Simple regular, constant maintaining (cost / profit) of a combustion engine vs electric, is too much to ignore, and even consider actually mass producing EVs. Huge % of the auto industry's bottom line.

Watch "Who killed the electric car?" and it pretty much answers any question why and who controls that market. It used to be on youtube, but blocked in many countries. Can still find parts of it on there.

Ignorance is a beautiful thing for the bottom line. Oil companies even bought up the battery companies and shelved them. It's a must watch if you can find it. Available on P-bay (torrent), if inclined to watch

And yet many countries have already stated that the sale of new ICE vehicles will be progressively banned from 2030 onwards. Rather than buying up battery companies and shelving them, oil companies would be better off investing in them to safeguard their future revenues, because the majority of the worlds nations are increasingly focusing on the climate debate and there seems to be little doubt (other than in the most biased non-believers) that global warming needs to be taken for real NOW, if the world is to avoid disaster before the end of this century.

[pharvey]

Thanks for the suggestion DB - will certainly look into it.

[handdrummer]

Most people don't care about a future that is 80 yrs. away. The ones who do haven't been born yet.
I think that history shows that most people only care about what is affecting them now and will try to avoid any involvement in what they deem not their problem. The oceans rising? I live inland. The volcanoes erupting? No volcanos here. Fires in California? I live in Minnesota. Isis in Africa? I live in Noumea.

My t-shirt says; Not My Problem.

[Dannie Boy]

Most people don't care about a future that is 80 yrs. away. The ones who do haven't been born yet.
I think that history shows that most people only care about what is affecting them now and will try to avoid any involvement in what they deem not their problem. The oceans rising? I live inland. The volcanoes erupting? No volcanos here. Fires in California? I live in Minnesota. Isis in Africa? I live in Noumea.

My t-shirt says; Not My Problem.

That indeed is the problem, because it is everybody’s problem and sooner than most people care to admit - maybe a lot on this forum might just miss the major impact, but their children won’t and their grandchildren most definitely won’t.

[pharvey]

Most people don't care about a future that is 80 yrs. away. The ones who do haven't been born yet.
I think that history shows that most people only care about what is affecting them now and will try to avoid any involvement in what they deem not their problem. The oceans rising? I live inland. The volcanoes erupting? No volcanos here. Fires in California? I live in Minnesota. Isis in Africa? I live in Noumea.

My t-shirt says; Not My Problem.

That indeed is the problem, because it is everybody’s problem and sooner than most people care to admit - maybe a lot on this forum might just miss the major impact, but their children won’t and their grandchildren most definitely won’t.

Can certainly see both sides in this day and age and current attitudes.

Lindosfan quite rightly picks up on issues with current batteries and mining of the raw materials required.

There's also the production of the electricity required to power these batteries/EV's - China for one WILL increase production from fossil fuels - FACT.... What will other countries/nations do?

I can hardly say I'm an environmentalist - Pre-MY-Fecking-Covid-Ventures, I travelled extensively for work (on mining, mineral and chemical sites) worldwide, have 3 cars in a household of 2 (2 of which are diesel cars, the petrol ridiculously poor on economy and purely for fun..... Though in my defense, not driven much and kept for love). My "Carbon Footprint" is NOT good and must change.

I feel for Lindosfan with the "Hydrogen Fuel Argument", but I just don't see it happening with the move to EV's. The "Oil Providers" will move towards another source of income - this will be batteries IMO (no DB, I'm no "Rocket Scientist").

Quite frankly, the cost of EV's and Hybrids are prohibitive at the moment - and I have a few years left with my diesel.... A car that will do 700 miles plus on a full tank (if I drove properly) and can fill-up at numerous locations (quickly) or even have a 50 odd "mile-boost" with a 5Ltr can of fuel in the boot..... Now then, what would you go for?

The LHG needs to replace her car (an aging A Class Merc Diesel), dependant on funds/deals and what trade-in-value we'll get for the "3rd Car"........ I have to say, it's nice looking at a new car - a small EV would suit her (not me), a larger "SUV Type) Hybrid (possibly) for the both of us.

We can however pickup a cracking car for her (she does little mileage at moderate speeds) for 20-25% of the cost of an EV..... Perhaps just need to see the consequences of Tax etc........?

[lindosfan1]

I have been trying to track details of a hydrogen car made before the 2nd world war. I found the details it seems it ammonia and hydrogen. Not sure if this is the one I was looking for, Which I believe was suppressed by the oil companies.

https://www.nh3fuel.com/index.php/faqs/ ... -as-a-fuel

[Dannie Boy]

I have been trying to track details of a hydrogen car made before the 2nd world war. I found the details it seems it ammonia and hydrogen. Not sure if this is the one I was looking for, Which I believe was suppressed by the oil companies.

https://www.nh3fuel.com/index.php/faqs/ ... -as-a-fuel

An interesting article and a subject that has seen very little publicity - I don’t recall seeing anything on this in any of the motoring magazines. I have a contact at Autocar (a major UK car magazine) and have forwarded the article to him to ask if he can point it in the right direction and see if it can get more publicity - if you see anything in the coming weeks/months (probably a big ask), then this Forum can claim the credit!!

[Dannie Boy]

I have been trying to track details of a hydrogen car made before the 2nd world war. I found the details it seems it ammonia and hydrogen. Not sure if this is the one I was looking for, Which I believe was suppressed by the oil companies.

https://www.nh3fuel.com/index.php/faqs/ ... -as-a-fuel

An interesting article and a subject that has seen very little publicity - I don’t recall seeing anything on this in any of the motoring magazines. I have a contact at Autocar (a major UK car magazine) and have forwarded the article to him to ask if he can point it in the right direction and see if it can get more publicity - if you see anything in the coming weeks/months (probably a big ask), then this Forum can claim the credit!!

This takes the Ammonia debate to a much higher level - it seems so sensible as an alternative to what’s currently available, that it’s bound to fall flat on its face!!

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07 ... out-carbon

[electricwarrior]

I don't think that it will come as a major shock to most readers that all of the worlds major leaders are in the pockets of big oil, banks and other global multi nationals so unless there is a major awakening and policy shift it will be too little too late. One major flaw in Capitalism, greed.

I had heard of innovative new designs over the years that have been quietly shut down by the oil and automotive industry by fair means and foul.

[ianc66]

I am posting on this forum after a gap of 14 years provoked by the high level of ignorance and misinformation.

BEV, Battery Electric Vehicles, are here now with none of the limitations imputed above save the initial purchase price, recouped by lower fuel and service costs.

Charging is mostly done at home, any country with sizable BEV fleet will have sufficient highway and destination chargers.

Suggest you retrieve and read-

Tesla.com/impact-report/2020

[electricwarrior]

Looking forward to your next post in 14yrs.

[handdrummer]

I am posting on this forum after a gap of 14 years provoked by the high level of ignorance and misinformation.

BEV, Battery Electric Vehicles, are here now with none of the limitations imputed above save the initial purchase price, recouped by lower fuel and service costs.

Charging is mostly done at home, any country with sizable BEV fleet will have sufficient highway and destination chargers.

Suggest you retrieve and read-

Tesla.com/impact-report/2020

Which "any country" would that be?

[KhunLA]

Definitely not the USA or Thailand. Cheapest EV in the USA starts at $30k. That's about 10k more than what I would pay for a car in the USA, so ROI wouldn't happen in my lifetime. Not that I would ever return anyway.

Just peeked, and that 30k is 10k more than the petrol model, and a Mini Cooper, to top it off. Too small for my needs.

[lindosfan1]

This could get a lot worse, a chip shortage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58266794

[Dannie Boy]

This could get a lot worse, a chip shortage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58266794

Hardly news, there has been a global shortage of semi conductors for many, many months, affecting almost everything electronic, but particularly cars - both ICE and BEV vehicles. By the look of it though, it isn’t going to get any better in the short term. One of the reasons why (in the UK), the price of second hand cars has been on the increase.