Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[pharvey]

I guess that in pushing the boundaries, more humble cars that the majority of us can afford will benefit by improved efficiency (greater range with adequate performance) and prices will eventually come down. Then, all will need is for the Government to provide sufficient incentives to get a workable infrastructure!!

Absolutely - went off topic a tad there!

As I've said before, I've been looking at EV's or a (Petrol) Hybrid for the LHG, and in the longer term for myself also. When things get back to normal work-wise, we do need two cars.

That said, prices are prohibitive in the UK and quite frankly the infrastructure is nowhere near for what I would need on travel - the LHG would be fine as it's pretty much local travel or 50 odd miles at most once in a blue moon.

The LHG is in China at the moment and constantly sends me photo's of the charging stations in place, the EV's available and the (far lower) cost.... Unfortunately she's oblivious to the fact that the UK is not the same!!

Still going to have to look at a second hand petrol runaround I'm afraid and wait a few years.... AND keeping my diesel Merc!!

[Dannie Boy]

I guess that in pushing the boundaries, more humble cars that the majority of us can afford will benefit by improved efficiency (greater range with adequate performance) and prices will eventually come down. Then, all will need is for the Government to provide sufficient incentives to get a workable infrastructure!!

Absolutely - went off topic a tad there!

As I've said before, I've been looking at EV's or a (Petrol) Hybrid for the LHG, and in the longer term for myself also. When things get back to normal work-wise, we do need two cars.

That said, prices are prohibitive in the UK and quite frankly the infrastructure is nowhere near for what I would need on travel - the LHG would be fine as it's pretty much local travel or 50 odd miles at most once in a blue moon.

The LHG is in China at the moment and constantly sends me photo's of the charging stations in place, the EV's available and the (far lower) cost.... Unfortunately she's oblivious to the fact that the UK is not the same!!

Still going to have to look at a second hand petrol runaround I'm afraid and wait a few years.... AND keeping my diesel Merc!!

The (slightly) good news is that the price of EV’s is predicted to drop over the next few years at the same time as performance increases, so hopefully by the time you need to get your next car (after this one), they’ll be reasonable choice available - the biggest concern is likely to be the charging infrastructure, so having the ability to charge overnight at home will be a big plus. Alas, prices will never match those available in China!!

[STEVE G]

A significant factor when it comes to price is the fact that most cars are obtained on finance or lease deals and for more modest electric cars, the saving on fuel costs can easily offset the increased monthly payments.
Actually, where I am in Europe, you can get an electric Renault Twingo for about €20,000 and if you can afford that cash you can get €7,000 back from the government as part of an incentive scheme which makes it one of the cheapest cars on the market.

[Dannie Boy]

As long as you’re happy to drive a Twingo!!


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[STEVE G]

As long as you’re happy to drive a Twingo!!


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Well if people are complaining about cost, they obviously want a cheap car.

[Dannie Boy]

As long as you’re happy to drive a Twingo!!


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Well if people are complaining about cost, they obviously want a cheap car.

Understand that, but it is one of the smallest electric cars out there so possibly not suitable for many


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[pharvey]

Well if people are complaining about cost, they obviously want a cheap car.

Well, I'm not happy with the cost of EV's, but lets be fair - 20K isn't a cheap car! Perhaps I'm a tight arse, but the last I purchased was a 3 year old Mercedes AMG for a tad less than 20K!

20K would buy you a Noddy EV quite frankly. Guess I just don't have your bank balance unfortunately....

[STEVE G]

Well if people are complaining about cost, they obviously want a cheap car.

Well, I'm not happy with the cost of EV's, but lets be fair - 20K isn't a cheap car! Perhaps I'm a tight arse, but the last I purchased was a 3 year old Mercedes AMG for a tad less than 20K!

20K would buy you a Noddy EV quite frankly. Guess I just don't have your bank balance unfortunately....

It's only cheap when you take back the €7,000 from the government which makes it one of the cheapest new cars on the market.

[Dannie Boy]

Well if people are complaining about cost, they obviously want a cheap car.

Well, I'm not happy with the cost of EV's, but lets be fair - 20K isn't a cheap car! Perhaps I'm a tight arse, but the last I purchased was a 3 year old Mercedes AMG for a tad less than 20K!

20K would buy you a Noddy EV quite frankly. Guess I just don't have your bank balance unfortunately....

Secondhand car prices in the UK have gone through the roof in the past 12 months or so, mainly due to increased demand resulting from the microchip shortage

New car prices have also increased although to a lesser extent, but again due to the chip shortage, large discounts that were previously available have shrunk considerably.

I think that these days, there are very few “cheap” new cars, other than say Dacia and one or two other less-desirable car brands.


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[pharvey]

It's only cheap when you take back the €7,000 from the government which makes it one of the cheapest new cars on the market.

There is that dependant on where you are Steve - the UK government give a grant of £1,500 on a NEW EV (which generally cost £25-30K as a minimum), so it's an expensive proposition and one I can't afford.

I truly hope prices drop and the technology jumps ahead (which I'm sure it will), but for the time being, I'll have to stick with my current car (and get raped with tax and fuel costs), the LHG will get a smaller petrol for the time being and then we'll look at an EV or Hybrid.

It's a way away yet......

[Dannie Boy]

It's only cheap when you take back the €7,000 from the government which makes it one of the cheapest new cars on the market.

There is that dependant on where you are Steve - the UK government give a grant of £1,500 on a NEW EV (which generally cost £25-30K as a minimum), so it's an expensive proposition and one I can't afford.

I truly hope prices drop and the technology jumps ahead (which I'm sure it will), but for the time being, I'll have to stick with my current car (and get raped with tax and fuel costs), the LHG will get a smaller petrol for the time being and then we'll look at an EV or Hybrid.

It's a way away yet......

there are EV cars available for less than £20k in the UK
https://www.carwow.co.uk/skoda/citigo-e-iv#gref

[lindosfan1]

The Skoda at best only does 160 miles and could take 4 hours to charge, it is cheap and nasty so cheap the rear windows do not wind and it is over £20,000.
Even if you were daft enough to buy it there is no infrastructure in in the UK for most people.

[Nereus]

Ministerial squabble delays EV measures

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/22 ... v-measures

A difference of opinions between the Energy Ministry and the Industry Ministry has resulted in a delay in the introduction of measures to support electric vehicles (EVs), according to a source at the National Electric Vehicle Policy Committee who requested anonymity.

The source said the original schedule required Energy Minister Supattanapong Punmeechaow to propose the measures to the cabinet on Dec 28, 2021 or in January. However, the proposal has been put off as the ministries work to settle their differences.

The Industry Ministry wants to set a condition that EV manufacturers have to set up an EV battery plant in Thailand if they want to gain benefits from the planned incentives.

However, the Energy Ministry believes during the initial period the focus should be on promoting EV imports.

If car makers are urged to invest in EV production and battery plants when local EV sales remain low, this could make EV manufacturers feel the investment is not worthwhile, said the source.

Earlier Finance Minister Arkhom Termpittayapaisith said the ministry wants Thailand to transition from fossil fuel-powered vehicles to the EV industry in 10 years.

Mr Arkhom acknowledged it will not be easy for Thailand to fully adopt EVs in a short period of time as there are 40 million fossil fuel-powered vehicles at present, of which 20 million are cars and the rest motorcycles.

He said the ministry previously planned to introduce measures to promote EV adoption, including reducing the excise tax and import tariffs for EVs to lower their prices to an affordable level for the mass market. Another measure is a subsidy for those who buy full EVs.

These incentives will run for five years from 2022, said Mr Arkhom.

[Nereus]

Bid to shift EVs into overdrive

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/22 ... -overdrive

While most business leaders welcome the state's latest package to spur EV production and adoption, not everyone is fully on board

The government's multi-billion-baht package to help electric vehicles (EVs) gain ground in the automotive market is being scrutinised as to whether it will become a powerful new economic driver, with benefits shared across society.

Since the cabinet approved price subsidies and a tax cut for EVs to stimulate demand and supply, car manufacturers have a better idea of how to benefit from the incentives, but according to business leaders this is just a start as Thailand faces new challenges.

UPWARD TRAJECTORY

Chinese sport utility vehicle manufacturer Great Wall Motor expects EVs to enjoy significant growth this year in the overall car market, which is expected to expand 10-12% from 2021.

Up to 94,000 EVs of all types will be sold in the market and 20% of them will be battery electric vehicles (BEVs), said Narong Sritalayon, managing director of Great Wall Motor (Thailand), attributing the increase to greater EV promotion by the government.

Last year the number of newly registered BEVs, comprising cars and pickups, in Thailand stood at 1,958, a 53% increase from 2020, according to the Federation of Thai Industries.

BEVs were ranked third behind 34,338 hybrid electric vehicles and 7,060 plug-in hybrid electric vehicles in the car and pickup segment.

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[Nereus]

Army looks to go green with electric vehicles

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... c-vehicles

The Royal Thai Army plans to replace old vehicles with electric vehicles (EV), following the government's policy to promote the use of green energy.

Col Sirichan Ngathong, the army's deputy spokesman, said Gen Narongpan Jitkaewthae, its commander-in-chief, wanted to start the replacement drive with army units in Bangkok before expanding to other provinces.

The army chief and his team including Gen Apinan Khampeo, the deputy commander-in-chief, and Gen Phumipat Chansawang, assistant commander-in-chief, on Wednesday visited SET-listed Energy Absolute Plc (EA), a renewable energy developer and pioneer in EV development, and its subsidiary Amita Technology (Thailand) Co, which operates a battery and energy storage system production facility in Chachoengsao province.

The group toured the facilities and learned about EVs, battery production and related technology.

The plan stems from a cabinet resolution on Aug 24, 2021, assigning government agencies to consider purchasing EVs to replace old cars. The resolution is expected to promote the EV market and reduce pollution from petrol vehicles.

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