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Well, the Gloucester vs Bath "game" is certainly not the one to watch this weekend - unless of course you simply want to extract the urine from Bath and their supporters..... :oops:

What a fecking embarrassment - a record win for Gloucester at 64 - 0 :roll: :cuss:

We need a front 5 and a complete rethink of the coaching and management team as a minimum. The Bath defence was an utter disgrace - this was truly a new low. It's days like this that I honestly wish the Premiership League was not "ringfenced" and there was demotion this season - Bath certainly don't deserve to be there.

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The English women beat the French 24-12 to win the 6 nations. :dance: Wales finished a credible 3rd.
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lindosfan1 wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:33 pm The English women beat the French 24-12 to win the 6 nations. :dance: Wales finished a credible 3rd.
Heart breaking loss to Italy though :roll:. Certainly seeing benefits of the changes made this season, but a long, long way to go yet after continued hammerings by both England and France.

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Christ, this has got to be some record..... Honestly, WTF - eight daughters as well as the seven sons!!

Dad Plays With Seven Sons in Final Heaton Moor Rugby Match

"A veteran amateur rugby player scrummed down with all seven of his sons for his last match before hanging up his boots.

Heaton Moor third XV captain Mike Ireland, who also has eight daughters, said the experience made for "an absolutely fantastic day".

The 56-year-old from Stockport said he "held out" from retirement until his youngest son Joel turned 18 so they could all play together.

It was worth the wait, with Heaton Moor thrashing Wythenshawe 65-7 on Saturday.

Mr Ireland, who only started playing when he was 41, said: "I didn't play sport myself as a kid but it was great to get them to do something and do it along with them"."


Full Article @ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-61284288
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pharvey wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 4:03 am Christ, this has got to be some record..... Honestly, WTF - eight daughters as well as the seven sons!!

Dad Plays With Seven Sons in Final Heaton Moor Rugby Match
With all those kids, I'm amazed he had the energy to start playing rugby at 41! Quite an achievement, though, and Wythenshawe are to be applauded for allowing each member of the family to score a try... :laugh: :laugh:

I'm sure I saw a pharvey recommendation to watch the Irish-Wasps game somewhere, but I can't find it now. Anyway, I'm hoping for a good game, though I have a soft spot for both teams; Irish because of the way they've played this season, and Wasps because Launchbury went to my old school.
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dtaai-maai wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 1:44 amI'm sure I saw a pharvey recommendation to watch the Irish-Wasps game somewhere, but I can't find it now. Anyway, I'm hoping for a good game, though I have a soft spot for both teams; Irish because of the way they've played this season, and Wasps because Launchbury went to my old school.
You certainly won't be disappointed with the match.... :thumb:
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Bloody hell! What can I say but... begorrah!? Two very good teams playing some very good rugby.
And let's get Arundell tied to England before someone else snaps him up. I believe he also qualifies for Cyprus... :laugh:
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dtaai-maai wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 3:20 am I believe he also qualifies for Cyprus... :laugh:
Indeed, along with Scotland and Wales, but I doubt Pivac & Co. have even realised! :roll:

But, he's a rah-rah lah-de-dah Harrow schoolboy who's played at Under 20's level for the Lillywhites, so won't be going anywhere else internationally..... Unfortunately :wink:

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Plenty of rugby tomorrow with the Heineken Champions (and Challenge) Cup Quarter Final matches being played. The highlight has to be Leicester vs Leinster (5:30pm KO UK time), but also looking forward to Munster vs Toulouse (3:00pm KO UK time) - more to follow Sunday, happy days!! :thumb:

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Not sounding good. No doubt one of the greatest players of all time and certainly one of my childhood heroes - good luck and please get well!!

"The Scarlets have released a statement after reports on social media surrounding the health of club president and Wales and Lions great Phil Bennett.

The Scarlets have moved to clarify the situation surrounding arguably their greatest ever player, saying on Twitter: “Our President Phil Bennett is unwell and being cared for by his family.

“Phil is battling like the true Scarlet he's always been and our thoughts and prayers are with him. We would ask everyone to respect the privacy of the family at this difficult time.”"


See https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... s-23880112
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Munster vs Toulouse - cracking game as far as I'm concerned, real edge of the seat stuff. I won't give details in case some will be able to watch later, but truly well worth trying to get a viewing!!

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Leicester vs Leinster - not the game I was expecting, but decent none-the-less. Again, I won't post details in case others can watch at a later time.

Pick of the day had to be Munster vs Toulouse though - my "Gypsy-like prediction" being slightly off!! :oops:

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/61394143
Welsh Rugby Union: 'Laughing stock' Wales must form three clubs - former WRU chief David Moffett

The man who brought about the existence of Wales' four professional teams says they should be replaced by three clubs.
David Moffett was Welsh Rugby Union (WRU) chief executive when the initial five teams were launched in 2003.
He says Welsh rugby is a global "laughing stock" and WRU-owned Dragons should be ditched unless bought out.

"There's a saying isn't there: the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome," he said.

In a wide-ranging interview with BBC Radio Wales, Moffett also said:

The United Rugby Championship (URC) is not working because fans do not travel in great numbers to away games.
Welsh teams should play in England, "but that's never going to happen".
Welsh infighting must stop, with making Wales "a winning national team" the starting point.
Three teams would mean Wales coach Wayne Pivac having "quality over quantity to choose from".
His original plan for regions has not worked because while WRU clubs overwhelmingly backed it, "the people that didn't vote for it were the fans".
As I read this article I realised I had very little knowledge of events in Welsh rugby back in 2003. Having done some reading on the subject, I'm beginning to understand some of pharvey's bitter asides (no offence) a little better now. Bluntly, it looks like a right old mess, and one which ain't getting any better.

I'll be interested to hear what Pietro has to say on the matter, but is it really out of the question for these Welsh teams to play in the English league/divisions?
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dtaai-maai wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 10:59 pmAs I read this article I realised I had very little knowledge of events in Welsh rugby back in 2003. Having done some reading on the subject, I'm beginning to understand some of pharvey's bitter asides (no offence) a little better now. Bluntly, it looks like a right old mess, and one which ain't getting any better.

I'll be interested to hear what Pietro has to say on the matter, but is it really out of the question for these Welsh teams to play in the English league/divisions?
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Moffett - despicable character with zero respect for anything, anyone let alone rugby or even his own nationality. Has done his upmost to crucify Welsh (and other national) rugby. Might get his just deserts if he sticks around the Cardiff/Wales region in the coming weeks/months :roll: . Have a little look into his history - always with controversy, always with a big payoff..... RFU, SANZAR, IRB, WRU.

He and those within the WRU in general think only of financial and personal gain - an absolute disgrace. Not enough money is passed on to Grassroots or Schoolboy Rugby where it is needed to bring the passion and support back into the game. The idea of three "Clubs" is idiotic, but sums him up - I only worry he'll have support (but it won't be from fans)!! :banghead:

Moffett never understood Welsh rugby or the Welsh people/supporters in 2003 and I despair at the fact that the WRU didn't understand then and don't understand now. The inception of the "Regional" sides screwed things beyond belief.... Take for example Swansea and Neath clubs - massive rivals (enemies really) amalgamated to the Ospreys. Can you imagine the likes of Liverpool and Everton becoming the "Liver Birds"!!?? :roll:

Let's not forget the "5th Region", the "Celtic Warriors" - the man destroyed careers :tosser:

Rugby in Wales must have a massive overall top to bottom. A clearout of the WRU management, a clearout within the National Team staff, changes to the league(s) structure and (way, way) further investment - there are a few too many "jobs for the boys" which cost dear. Get rid of them and put the money where it's needed.

[ Quote DM - Is it really out of the question for these Welsh teams to play in the English league/divisions?]

Pretty much YES. There's no way the English clubs or the Union will entertain allowing Welsh teams (or Celtic teams as a whole - probably terrified by the likes of Leinster and Munster et. al. at the moment) back in. The English (RFU) is by far the richest in World Rugby and they have no interest in sharing or diminishing their product. It's a pity they don't remember from where it was built in the amateur days!) - Bath for one taking full advantage and providing classics against the likes of Llanelli (The Rag Doll Match), Cardiff and Pontypool - oh for those days again!!

I shall continue to rant........ :wink:

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I think this article goes a long way in explaining what Pharvey is talking about above.

Wales must form three clubs - former WRU chief David Moffett

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/61394143

The man who brought about the existence of Wales' four professional teams says they should be replaced by three clubs.

David Moffett was Welsh Rugby Union (WRU) chief executive when the initial five teams were launched in 2003.

He says Welsh rugby is a global "laughing stock" and WRU-owned Dragons should be ditched unless bought out.

"There's a saying isn't there: the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome," he said.

In a wide-ranging interview with BBC Radio Wales, Moffett also said:

The United Rugby Championship (URC) is not working because fans do not travel in great numbers to away games.

Welsh teams should play in England, "but that's never going to happen".

Welsh infighting must stop, with making Wales "a winning national team" the starting point.

Three teams would mean Wales coach Wayne Pivac having "quality over quantity to choose from".

His original plan for regions has not worked because while WRU clubs overwhelmingly backed it, "the people that didn't vote for it were the fans".

Moffett's belief that Welsh rugby can sustain only three professional teams mirrors that of a proposal to cut a Welsh region which emerged in a report commissioned for the Professional Rugby Board (PRB).

The PRB runs the professional game in Wales, with members from the four regions and WRU sitting on the board, which has Malcolm Wall as an independent chairman.

Debates over Welsh rugby's structure resurfaced after a fifth-place finish in the 2022 Six Nations and with none of its regions making a significant impact in Europe or the URC.

Moffett said Welsh rugby "is at war with itself continuously" and questioned the WRU board and leading figures' ability to improve the game's fortunes at international and domestic level.

"I don't know what the board and executives have by way of key performance indicators, but obviously they are not fit for purpose because if they were you would have seen in the last 10 to 15 years an improvement in the Welsh rugby set-up - in fact, it's going backwards," he said.

Moffett added: "I've said for some time that regional rugby and the concept that I put in place has not worked, mainly because the Welsh believe that they've got a mortgage on parochialism, and that parochialism can work for you or in this case against you.

"And so what do we do? We see this unedifying spectacle every year about, you know, Pontypridd should have a professional team, or that valley should be a professional team, and it goes nowhere and it affects Welsh rugby really badly.

"So for a couple of years now I've been suggesting it was right for the time, it's obviously not right now, so scrap it, just have three club-based teams.

"It's not going to make any difference to the number of people that actually support them because the regions are not being supported now anyway."

Dragons are again Wales' worst-performing team, with two URC wins and a draw from their 16 games so far in 2021-22, and Moffett says they should not be "sacrosanct" as WRU-owned.

Moffett said: "My three teams would be Llanelli, Swansea and Cardiff, but I'll put a caveat on that - I could live with Newport instead of Swansea because they are so close to Llanelli, only on the basis that they [Dragons] became privately-owned like the other clubs and that the WRU gave up ownership."

He added: "The WRU should not have a free pass on what they've done by taking over Newport [Dragons], they've kept the game relatively poor because of their poor financial management and something's going to break."

Moffett says the WRU is unable to afford four teams because "the only thing they seem to be able to do is just cut, cut and cut costs".

He also argues Wales "don't have enough players of sufficient quality" to sustain more than three teams.
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