Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[GroveHillWanderer]

Not sure that's true. Both the MEA and PEA tariffs show peak and off peak rates.

I think that you will find that those off peak rates only apply to consumers with their own HV transformers.
Or in some cases: "Mates rates"!

Ah, OK.

Still, on "the other place" I do see people, living here in Thailand, talking about charging their EV's at off peak rates.

[Dannie Boy]

the only drawback in Thailand is there is no cheap off-peak electricity available.

Not sure that's true. Both the MEA and PEA tariffs show peak and off peak rates.

As Nereus has said, it doesn’t apply to normal households - I/we get charged at a flat rate.

However, EV’s still work out cheaper to run than a gasoline or petrol car - not sure about gas?

[Dannie Boy]

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automo ... rs-jump-in
Thai EV battery market heats up as key players jump in.

[PeteC]

Just a personal observation. Within the last few months more and more articles are being published about Hybrid cars. Personally, I think that may be a good step for those unsure or a bit timid about going the full monty into EV's as their first experience with the technology.

[pharvey]

Just a personal observation. Within the last few months more and more articles are being published about Hybrid cars. Personally, I think that may be a good step for those unsure or a bit timid about going the full monty into EV's as their first experience with the technology.

Personally, I think Hybrids are the logical "next step" simply as the infrastructure for full EVs simply isn't there in many places. This of course will change with improvements to battery power/range and improvements to the infrastructure - but this will take time.

[Dannie Boy]

Just a personal observation. Within the last few months more and more articles are being published about Hybrid cars. Personally, I think that may be a good step for those unsure or a bit timid about going the full monty into EV's as their first experience with the technology.

Personally, I think Hybrids are the logical "next step" simply as the infrastructure for full EVs simply isn't there in many places. This of course will change with improvements to battery power/range and improvements to the infrastructure - but this will take time.

I agree with both comments - I’m all in favour of EV’s as a mode of transportation, but as mentioned, the technology and infrastructure isn’t yet there, so a halfway house allows people to dip their toes in the water (and in many instances they’re pleasantly surprised) and they’ll be ready to take the full plunge, as and when the technology and infrastructure catches up with the politician’s visions!!

[STEVE G]

My brother in the UK has had several plug in hybrids from his company and is very happy with them, he had a couple of Mitsubishi Outlanders and now has a BMW. Basically he can manage all his general commuting and local driving on full electric and charges the car at his place of work.
I believe in the UK there are significant tax advantages to having a plug in hybrid as a company car.

[Dannie Boy]

My brother in the UK has had several plug in hybrids from his company and is very happy with them, he had a couple of Mitsubishi Outlanders and now has a BMW. Basically he can manage all his general commuting and local driving on full electric and charges the car at his place of work.
I believe in the UK there are significant tax advantages to having a plug in hybrid as a company car.

Absolutely correct about the tax advantages of a PHEV (although a full EV is even better) - how long that will remain waits to be seen. In Thailand I drive an MG PHEV and am very happy with it and manage 90+% of my journeys in EV mode which makes it economical, environmentally friendly and a quiet/relaxing drive - what more do you need?

[Nereus]

I post the following here purely for the technical comparisons, not the pricing. Some of them may not be available in Thailand, although I think that the Mini Countryman is now here.

https://rac.com.au/car-motoring/info/pl ... -australia

https://rac.com.au/car-motoring/info/hy ... -explained

https://mgmotor.com.au/models/mg-hsplus ... jtEALw_wcB

[bigston]

I just love the dodgy "fuel " figures quoted on these cars
the MG for instance is quoted at 1.7 litre per 100 km
so reading that you would think it would consume 5.1 litres on a nice country day trip of 300 km
Wrong...totally misleading, as the volvo dealer in Aus admitted just that when just out of interest i asked about these wizz bang fuel efficient cars.
i purchased here in thailand on arrival late last year a honda city hatchback,E-HEV
sure it cost way more than the petrol only model but im consistently getting 24.6 Km per litre, in and around town and on longer day trips,
most happy with that..

[Dannie Boy]

I just love the dodgy "fuel " figures quoted on these cars
the MG for instance is quoted at 1.7 litre per 100 km
so reading that you would think it would consume 5.1 litres on a nice country day trip of 300 km
Wrong...totally misleading, as the volvo dealer in Aus admitted just that when just out of interest i asked about these wizz bang fuel efficient cars.
i purchased here in thailand on arrival late last year a honda city hatchback,E-HEV
sure it cost way more than the petrol only model but im consistently getting 24.6 Km per litre, in and around town and on longer day trips,
most happy with that..

I own an MG HS PHEV and because the majority of my journeys are 60 kms or less, I can do most of my journeys in EV mode - I’ve had the car about 18 months and so far it’s averaged just over 100 km per litre - obviously I’ve had to pay for the electricity to charge the battery but I’ve not attempted to calculate the cost of doing so.

[bigston]

Perfect for those out and around town trips as you say, up to 50 km or so, but do a 300 km trip in a day and the fuel consumption figures would be interesting

[Dannie Boy]

Perfect for those out and around town trips as you say, up to 50 km or so, but do a 300 km trip in a day and the fuel consumption figures would be interesting

Absolutely, once the battery is depleted it’s like carrying an extra 2-3 people so economy plummets - if I did that type of regular travel I wouldn’t have bought a PHEV, so they’re only beneficial when the majority of your journeys can be completed on a fully charged battery and have ready access to a charging point.


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[Nereus]

From what I have discovered it depends on a couple of things just what it is going to cost. Not all of the systems are equal: for one thing, some of them still have conventional mechanical drive with just an electrical motor assisting when conditions are right. Others have a dedicated electric motor(s) with the engine driving a generator charging the battery, which will mean that regenerative power is going to be more consistant. How and where you drive the vehicle will make a big difference.

[Dannie Boy]

I’d agree that there are a variety of different operating systems but some of the basic principles are the same between EV/PHEV/IC cars - put your foot down hard and the economy figures plummet. The MG that I Drive provides four levels of operation, although I tend to stick with just two - normal hybrid mode where the car starts in electric and continues until about 40 kph when the IC engine fires up - alternatively put it into EV mode where it can travel up to more than 100 kph without the engine kicking in and continues until the battery is drained and the IC engine takes over.