Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[Gregjam]

As a fence sitter I find the various arguments interesting and often very blinkered. There seem to be a few points missed (perhaps purposely) in points raised.
As battery technology advances I don't see why some kind of adaptor could not be used to fit newer smaller but equally or more powerful/longer lasting batteries into the existing space. After all, it comes down to volts, amps and Watts.
EV’s whilst mechanically less complicated still have wheels that go round and other moving parts. Suspension parts will need changing and electric motors do not last forever.
I would guess that most people are over-carred in that the capability of the vehicle they have far exceeds the use they get from it. A personal choice for sure but a waste of resources be it ICE or EV.
The current best choice will change as infrastructure and technology inproves.
Is a BMW EV any greener than a Haval or Nissan. Snob value and personal choice still come into it.

If and when an EV comes along that ticks all my personal requirement boxes including cost, safety, practicality amongst other things I would get one and it is obvious that for many there are models that do now. Until then I will stick with my trusty but not so environmentally friendly diesel.

[STEVE G]

[SteveG][To be honest, the argument as to the future is actually pretty much over as virtually the whole motor industry is in the process of moving over to EV production, it's just a matter of how soon that happens.
Even ExxonMobil is starting to get worried!
https://thedriven.io/2023/07/17/unplugg ... -vehicles/ [SteveG]

Well, can't argue with that Steve - Personally (based on a UK viewpoint) I believe we're 3-5 years away from improving the required network/systems in place during which time I hope and believe that battery "technology" will have improved significantly and costs reduced.

I am now based in the UK and a member of The AA. I get regular updates and info from them and recently received the attached - it's obviously based on the UK, but is an interesting read wherever you're based: -

https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/el ... h%20Buster

[KhunLA]

Real life cost of EV vs ICE (I own/owned both cars)

Real life driving ... Muang, PKK - Hua Hin - PKK
MG ZS EV 2022 - WLTP range rating 320 kms
per full charge (test speed - 47 kph)

Real life, mixed highway driving - 323 kms per charge
Total (one way) 91.8 kms (using AC & cruise control)
3 kms <50kph
65 kms - 90 kph
23.8 kms - 70-80 kph

While there, dog sat in car for 2 hr 14 mins
Using 4 % approx. 15 kms worth
While car on 'full power'
91.8 X 2 (round trip) = 183.6 kms

Our cost, using excess Solar -0-
PEA @ ฿4.25 kWh = <฿0.61 per km
EV cost 183.6 kms = ฿112

MG ZS ICE (2020) 14kms/L
PTT 91 @ ฿39.54/L = ฿2.82 per km
ICEV cost 183.6 kms = ฿518

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[pharvey]

Oh stuff being sensible, practical and well, going against everything I have said........ I want one!!

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/18/busi ... index.html

[Dannie Boy]

Oh stuff being sensible, practical and well, going against everything I have said........ I want one!!

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/18/busi ... index.html

You’ve got no ambition - put your hands deep into your pockets and get one of these!!
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... -barchetta

[2/cb]

All I want to add is…EVs are garbage. Witness hundreds of acres of abandoned EVs all over China. Witness ship fires caused by faulty EV batteries. No one wants them. Don’t be a fool; avoid them like the plague.

[Dannie Boy]

I don’t understand why you need to come out with such provocative statements like “EV’s are garbage”. I’m not sure there are many/any EV’s that I’d say are “garbage”. Clearly some are much better than others, but that’s the same for ICE cars.

Regarding “hundreds of acres of abandoned EV’s in China - do you have evidence of this?

EV sales are increasing all the time, so clearly some people want them.

Regarding fires, I have read that the incidence of fires in EV’s is approximately double that of petrol/diesel cars, but the numbers of both are relatively low, so a minor, not a major concern.

[HHTel]

No one wants them.

That's obviously not true.

I know it'll not affect most of us on the forum but the younger generation will be forced into EV's despite criticism. The market is growing exponentially with 25% of all vehicles sold being electric by 2030.
There is some rapid development in batteries. 25 min charge with a range of 600 miles by 2025.

[STEVE G]

No one wants them.

That's obviously not true.....

Yes, there are Tesla's and the like everywhere now where I work in Europe, the streets are full of them.
What is particularly telling is how virtually the whole taxi rank outside the airport is now either EVs or plug in hybrids and that is pure economics because no one is buying an electric taxi for any other reason.

[PeteC]

No one wants them.

That's obviously not true.....

Yes, there are Tesla's and the like everywhere now where I work in Europe, the streets are full of them.
What is particularly telling is how virtually the whole taxi rank outside the airport is now either EVs or plug in hybrids and that is pure economics because no one is buying an electric taxi for any other reason.

Have the meter rates gone down because of their fuel savings? (No need to reply)

[STEVE G]

That's obviously not true.....

Yes, there are Tesla's and the like everywhere now where I work in Europe, the streets are full of them.
What is particularly telling is how virtually the whole taxi rank outside the airport is now either EVs or plug in hybrids and that is pure economics because no one is buying an electric taxi for any other reason.

Have the meter rates gone down because of their fuel savings? (No need to reply)

No, taxis aren't cheap here, they can even afford to have white drivers!

[Dannie Boy]

So I’m not sure where the economics comes into why there are so many EV taxis where you are Steve?

Although there are many claims that EV’s will become cheaper to produce through economies of scale and improved technology, history indicates that much of those savings will be retained by the car manufacturers, I’m sure the motoring public won’t get much of the savings, although they should benefit from the improved range/charging times.


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[STEVE G]

So I’m not sure where the economics comes into why there are so many EV taxis where you are Steve?

Although there are many claims that EV’s will become cheaper to produce through economies of scale and improved technology, history indicates that much of those savings will be retained by the car manufacturers, I’m sure the motoring public won’t get much of the savings, although they should benefit from the improved range/charging times.


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There are Tesla S taxis here and they cost over 100,000Euro so they must be making money out of them or they wouldn't be doing it.

[KhunLA]

There are Tesla S taxis here and they cost over 100,000Euro so they must be making money out of them or they wouldn't be doing it.

Or, like me, simply playing the long game on overall savings, during life of the car. 91 is now 40+/- liter, no down time for oil changes, tune ups.

Charging at home cuts fuel cost by 75%, 50% at charging stations. Took ours in for 10k kms check up, and it was done before I finished my coffee in the waiting room.

Not sure if I would have gone with Tesla though, as a premium price, unless wanting the range with the S. If just staying around Krung Thep, the MG EP would only be 771k instead of 2.5M or whatever they are going for.

When on Phuket, I saw a few MG EP taxis

[caller]

Regarding “hundreds of acres of abandoned EV’s in China - do you have evidence of this

It's not a massive surprise considering the economic downturn in China. I saw a couple of reports about this and what looked like drone footage of a huge amount of discarded, white, ev's described as abandoned. Couple this with reduced demand in the west, albeit temporary, then it's not difficult to imagine the cars they have been relentlessly churning out, have to end up somewhere.