Dannie Boy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:04 pm
Well I think you’re all going to be proved wrong, it’s just a question of how soon? I suspect it will be 5-7 years, so from about 2030 I’m confident that the picture will be completely different than it is now.
I'd tend to agree, but the way things work in the UK it may take a little longer. The US attitudes on EV's also seems to be moving more towards Hybrids - something I fully agree with. There's a great deal more to sort out before the world "goes EV" - the "Environmental Love-in" with EV fanatics is complete and utter BS, mining, recycling, waste etc., "Solar Charging" may be suitable for the likes of Thailand and SE Asia/Africa/Australia et al, but Europe and much of the US can be vastly different.
I've said many times, I'm not anti-EV, just realistic. Loved test-driving Teslas and the like, but would not want to drive them in Thailand/HH where the condition of the roads would cost me a shed load in tyres alone!!
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things" - Yma o Hyd.
STEVE G wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:50 pm
In a world with renewable energy like this, EVs make a lot more sense than ICE cars.
Renewable Energy all well and good if the facilities, infrastructure and all is there. Generation of "Renewable Energy" is wonderful, but few seem to consider putting this power to the National Grid and how it's done. The UK generates a shed load of power, but much is simply lost due to failings with the "National Grid" - this is not uncommon, and people need to understand this.
And the mining for components? The recycling? EV's are a God send? Come on....
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things" - Yma o Hyd.
Dannie Boy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:04 pm
Well I think you’re all going to be proved wrong, it’s just a question of how soon? I suspect it will be 5-7 years, so from about 2030 I’m confident that the picture will be completely different than it is now.
I'd tend to agree, but the way things work in the UK it may take a little longer. The US attitudes on EV's also seems to be moving more towards Hybrids - something I fully agree with. There's a great deal more to sort out before the world "goes EV" - the "Environmental Love-in" with EV fanatics is complete and utter BS, mining, recycling, waste etc., "Solar Charging" may be suitable for the likes of Thailand and SE Asia/Africa/Australia et al, but Europe and much of the US can be vastly different.
I've said many times, I'm not anti-EV, just realistic. Loved test-driving Teslas and the like, but would not want to drive them in Thailand/HH where the condition of the roads would cost me a shed load in tyres alone!!
My comments were based on the “hype” about breakthroughs in battery technology - if some of the latest claims come to fruition then I think by 2030 it could really start to happen. Conversely, if it is more hype than due credit, I might be eating my words.
Dannie Boy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:04 pm
Well I think you’re all going to be proved wrong, it’s just a question of how soon? I suspect it will be 5-7 years, so from about 2030 I’m confident that the picture will be completely different than it is now.
I'd tend to agree, but the way things work in the UK it may take a little longer. The US attitudes on EV's also seems to be moving more towards Hybrids - something I fully agree with. There's a great deal more to sort out before the world "goes EV" - the "Environmental Love-in" with EV fanatics is complete and utter BS, mining, recycling, waste etc., "Solar Charging" may be suitable for the likes of Thailand and SE Asia/Africa/Australia et al, but Europe and much of the US can be vastly different.
I've said many times, I'm not anti-EV, just realistic. Loved test-driving Teslas and the like, but would not want to drive them in Thailand/HH where the condition of the roads would cost me a shed load in tyres alone!!
My comments were based on the “hype” about breakthroughs in battery technology - if some of the latest claims come to fruition then I think by 2030 it could really start to happen. Conversely, if it is more hype than due credit, I might be eating my words.
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When it comes to technological advancement its definitely not a linear progression, so what has been achieved in the last 10 years, the same advancement will probably be achieved in just another 6-7 years and why I remain upbeat about EV’s getting a bigger foothold.
I often reminisce about the past, but it’s the future where change will happen (sorry 2/cb, but I don’t think your pessimism will win)!!
Is it possible to build an EV without using fossil fuel. Fair enough, the diesel or petrol is removed but what about the plastic used in its construction, lubricants used to keep it moving and the electricity it uses, all created using those same fossil fuels in most cases.
Reducing emissions and the use of fossil fuels can only benefit the environment for sure but it seems that any discussions avoid the thorny issues and, like the brexit polling, highlight the other sides negative rather than positive aspect. There is a lot more to this than just fuel.
It seems a bit like the solar power arguments where it all looks wonderful until you take the subsidies away and the real costs do not make it viable for the average (not wealthy) user.
Dannie Boy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:43 pm
You’re like one of those old fashioned record players where the needle gets stuck!!
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What does attacking the messenger, rather than the message, say about your argument?
The previous article I posted was debunking the myth that EV’s are more fire-prone than ICE cars, an argument that you continually put forward and which has been countered many times by myself and others and yet you still don’t accept this.
EV’s may not be perfect - I’ve said so myself on a number of occasions, but they’re getting better year on year and by the beginning of the 2030’s will, I’m quite certain, offer a very viable alternative to an ICE car.
An interesting article regarding Hydrogen Fuel Cells - this could lead to a viable alternative (but in conjunction with) EV Battery vehicles - hydrogen is better suited to heavy goods vehicles. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/busi ... production
EVs may or may not be more fire prone than ICE cars, I suspect they are, but the point is that when they self-immolate the consequences are generally far worse. EV fires are almost impossible to extinguish, burn at very high temperatures, and for long periods of time, sometimes days. Battery powered cars really are a crap idea.
