Premier League 2023-24

[caller]

I feed sorry for Heckingbottom, he never had a chance. The best players that he won promotion with were either sold, or not retained, for financial reasons. They basiclly started with a weaker team than the one they were promoted with. Crazy situation.

[Dannie Boy]

Yes I just read about what happened - what a disgraceful shambles!!


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[thecolonel]

OK, quite a while ago now, but as far as I'm concerned its a case of what goes around, comes around. Everton's couldn't care-less mis-management almost put Plymouth Argyle out of business.

I don't remember the player's name now, but Everton bought him on a stepped payment basis. The player walked from Everton as a free agent (to Newcastle I believe) before Everton had finished the relevant paperwork. Plymouth did not receive the payment (about £100K), which was earmarked for the taxman. Of course, the taxman put them into receivership, and the points deduction was automatic.

No tears from me - in fact, I'm loving it. I don't think I'll be shedding a tear.

Hilarious!

So fan of a club that is so poorly run that it needs to sell their best player to pay off the taxman is calling other clubs mis- managed!

They are undoubtedly mis-managed (woefully in fact) but people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

Everton probably slowed on the deal because they rightly thought they should be getting him for free (de facto as proved by Newcastle). And if your Board had any business nous they would have realised the precarious situation and reduced the price for fast payment. But they just waited.

But hey, blame others, it's easier on the ego.



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[Big Boy]

Yes, unfortunately, a Japanese sugar daddy walked away when England lost the World Cup bid, leaving them in dire straights. That money was the banker that was going to save the club from receivership, and points deduction. Yes, it is hilarious that Everton don't relish the thought of points deduction now.

Unfortunately, after the Japs walked, there wasn't much of a board to have any business nous. Thankfully, all sorted, and pound for pound probably one of the best run clubs in the country now.

[pharvey]

Imagine reacting to a rugby ref like that

Well, ultimately it wouldn't happen, but if it did the player wouldn't remain on the pitch or quite frankly at the club for long IMHO. There would also be a significant ban handed out by the IRB/Associated Rugby Board.
If Wendyball (sorry) Football is serious about stamping this cr@p out, then they need to react in the same way i.e. a sending off and a significant ban - a hefty fine with the monies going to a sports charity wouldn't go amiss either.

[thecolonel]

Yes, unfortunately, a Japanese sugar daddy walked away when England lost the World Cup bid, leaving them in dire straights. That money was the banker that was going to save the club from receivership, and points deduction. Yes, it is hilarious that Everton don't relish the thought of points deduction now.

Unfortunately, after the Japs walked, there wasn't much of a board to have any business nous. Thankfully, all sorted, and pound for pound probably one of the best run clubs in the country now.

Well it's genuinely good to hear that the club is now sorted and doing well. I've no axe to grind with other clubs

But the point i was trying to make was that your points deduction was absolutely clear cut, you were poorly run and ultimately went into administration and that is an open and shut case.

Hardly the same as Everton's grey area, re being told stadium costs don't count(to P&S) and no sporting advantage.

We'll just have to see how the appeal goes.

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[thecolonel]

You’re being far too pedantic, but then again if I was an Everton supporter I think I would be too.


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Haha yes we're feeling a little touchy right now!

But I do think you slightly missed my bigger point which was here we have a team that's basically at the top of the league in away form and yet could still go down(due deduction). Basically unheard of as best away form teams are usually the top 5 in the league.

Moving on do you have any views re deduction? I'm reading that the overspend all relates to interest payments on the stadium build and NOT on players so no sporting advantage gained. Plus we were told these payments would not count against profit and sustainability rules then a year later they(EPL) changed their minds after we spent it.

Hence EFC are appealing

Chelsea /Man City issues seem to relate to player spend

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I have absolutely no views about the points deduction because I’ve deliberately kept clear of what’s been happening, sorry but I’m very much a bystander to all of this milaki.

But of all the teams in say the bottom five, I reckon Everton have a very good chance of avoiding relegation


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Bookies agree(of the bottom 4)

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[dtaai-maai]

Imagine reacting to a rugby ref like that

Well, ultimately it wouldn't happen, but if it did the player wouldn't remain on the pitch or quite frankly at the club for long IMHO. There would also be a significant ban handed out by the IRB/Associated Rugby Board.
If Wendyball (sorry) Football is serious about stamping this cr@p out, then they need to react in the same way i.e. a sending off and a significant ban - a hefty fine with the monies going to a sports charity wouldn't go amiss either.

Agreed 100%. Any fine would have to be huge to have any meaningful impact on a top-level footballer - 6 or even 7 figures.

[Big Boy]

Of course, whilst I sympathise with what might appear to be an unfair ruling I do take pleasure in the Karma. It isn't a nice feeling to have 10 points stolen from you for something that might not have anything to do with what has happened on the pitch.

Strangely enough, Plymouth's main problem included stadium expenses that couldn't be paid for because the Jap did a runner. His plan was to develop the entire Home Park area and make a fortune from the World Cup. A lot of money was wasted on preparations.

The guys who came in to sort the problem worked wonders, but fell short because of that £100K non-payment. If Everton had come clean sooner, a less deadly creditor could have been sidelined for a while. Unfortunately, you don't argue with the Revenue - they don't take prisoners.

Many supporters suffered as a result. I still remember Wright-Phillips throwing his shirt to the crowd at Bristol Rovers, and Plymouth officials having to retrieve it so that he could wear it for the next match. It was horrible.

[thecolonel]

Of course, whilst I sympathise with what might appear to be an unfair ruling I do take pleasure in the Karma. It isn't a nice feeling to have 10 points stolen from you for something that might not have anything to do with what has happened on the pitch.

Strangely enough, Plymouth's main problem included stadium expenses that couldn't be paid for because the Jap did a runner. His plan was to develop the entire Home Park area and make a fortune from the World Cup. A lot of money was wasted on preparations.

The guys who came in to sort the problem worked wonders, but fell short because of that £100K non-payment. If Everton had come clean sooner, a less deadly creditor could have been sidelined for a while. Unfortunately, you don't argue with the Revenue - they don't take prisoners.

Many supporters suffered as a result. I still remember Wright-Phillips throwing his shirt to the crowd at Bristol Rovers, and Plymouth officials having to retrieve it so that he could wear it for the next match. It was horrible.

https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/e ... 0631063424

For those remotely interested in this case

Not a direct link... choose the bonus episode relating to the points deduction


I think in all fairness it's too early for the 'karma'

If EFC had gone into admin(yet may happen) or bought players they simply couldn't afford to gain an on field advantage(something which I simply struggle to believe we're not guilty of! ) then fill your boots!


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[pharvey]

Agreed 100%. Any fine would have to be huge to have any meaningful impact on a top-level footballer - 6 or even 7 figures.

Now wouldn't it be wonderful (and very interesting) if it did come in and the fine was "Means Tested" - the "interesting" part would certainly be what monthly expenses/outgoings these top earners come up with!! The "wonderful" obviously being how all UK sports and associated charities could truly benefit from these ungracious (or is it ingracious) pr!cks.

[Dannie Boy]

FA charge Man City with failure to control players in match against Spurs…..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67618251

[pharvey]

FA charge Man City with failure to control players in match against Spurs…..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67618251

How many charges have now been levied against Man City with ZERO consequence/action?

"However, the FA will not be handing out any further charges relating to the fixture, so Haaland is not facing an individual punishment."...... Pretty much sums up the points above and the complete and utter BS when too much money is involved!

Talking of money in the Premier League.....

Premier League Agrees Record £6.7bn Domestic TV Rights Deal

"The Premier League says the new agreement, which is a year longer, is a 4% rise in live rights value compared to the previous deal and will "provide financial certainty for clubs throughout professional football until at least 2029"."

Reduce salaries, costs of "Official Team Merchandise" (which they seem to change 3 times a season) and hell, the clubs could even drop ticket prices for true fans and still make a fair few million for the money grabbing tw@ts both in charge of clubs and the Media Outlets! Sadly, virtually all sports are now going behind the Great Pay Wall......

[Dannie Boy]

That probably means that you’re going to have to pay more to watch the games - I’ll settle for BBC MOTD highlights (providing my VPN works)!!

[pharvey]

That probably means that you’re going to have to pay more to watch the games - I’ll settle for BBC MOTD highlights (providing my VPN works)!!

TBH, there's no way I would pay to watch football specifically. I have BT/TNT sports for rugby which also shows several football games - EPL, European etc. I'll only really ever watch internationals (Wales) or the likes of the Euro's and World Cup and the odd Liverpool match. Welsh internationals (football and rugby) will tend to be on S4C (Welsh language - so there's pressure to keep it there), but I fear many sports will go behind the Great Pay Wall and as you say prices will no doubt increase - pricing true fans out of the enjoyment week in, week out.

Football will always have massive support worldwide, but moving rugby tournaments like the "Six Nations" to Pay-per-View will only move towards killing it. I truly wish the money grabbers could support and get to love the sports that make them the money they adore so much......

Sorry.