Southeast Asia sharply divided over human rights

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Southeast Asia sharply divided over human rights

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One of the problems here is that those who are preaching don't always practice what they say. Thailand included, socially, economically and concerning education. I'm sure that the sting of Burma's words hits home with these guys during their informal meetings. Thus, nothing tangible results when they vote as others are already intimidated, and probably rightfully so.

China does it with the USA and the West all the time when they are caught out. Vietnam seems to be getting a free ride and hiding in the shadows as if not for Burma, they would be in the hot seat.

The list goes on to include all of them, just to a lesser degree. The same applies to the West, to a greater or lesser degree, you decide?

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MANILA (AFP) - Southeast Asian nations headed into a week of security and political talks Sunday looking to seal a landmark cooperation deal but sharply divided on how to tackle human rights abuses -- and each other.

Despite two years of work, the 10-nation ASEAN bloc failed to hammer out agreement on a proposed human rights commission as part of a new charter that the group will approve this week and formally adopt later in the year.

Diplomats said strong opposition from military-ruled Myanmar, a bane of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and a target of international criticism and sanctions, helped scupper the commission.

"There was no agreement," one diplomat, who asked not to be named, told AFP.

The charter is intended to turn ASEAN, which marks its 40th anniversary next month, into a rules-based organisation roughly along the lines of the European Union, with norms that all countries would have to adhere to.

However, the bloc could not agree on how to punish nations which violate those norms or on a human rights commission to investigate members' behaviour as it struggles to shake off a tradition of non-interference in each other's affairs.

Sanctions for punishment have been ruled out of the charter, and Sunday's failure on the commission means the bloc effectively has only a matter of weeks to try again before the document is adopted at a Singapore summit in November.

"There is a universal declaration of human rights in the charter of the United Nations," Foreign Secretary Alberto Romulo of the Philippines, whose country has been pressing the issue, said on Saturday as the talks dragged on.

"It's a universal desire that there must be a human rights commission, and I believe that ASEAN can do no less," he said.

Member states have also battled over whether to abandon their policy of operating on consensus in favour of taking decisions by vote -- a move which would also amount to forcing individual countries to abide by group rules.

That has been a particularly tricky question when it comes to Myanmar.

The pariah state, formerly known as Burma, has drawn international sanctions by refusing to start restoring democracy and continuing to keep pro-democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi under house arrest.

"Non-interference in internal affairs may have been the factor that has kept socially responsible ASEAN members silent over human rights violations in the past," said Tint Swe, a member of her political party living in exile.

"The time has come to change that attitude," he told AFP.

The foreign ministers of ASEAN -- which groups Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam -- were to open their meetings on Sunday night.

Myanmar Foreign Minister Nyan Win was expected to brief the ministers on the latest developments in the country, but diplomats said they expected little new from the hermit state despite mounting world pressure for reforms.

"We want to hear something more tangible from the minister," said a senior Southeast Asian diplomat who declined to be named.

A "roadmap" laid out by the junta to restore democracy -- the country has been ruled by the military since 1962, and Aung San Suu Kyi's party was not allowed to govern despite winning polls in 1990 -- has been derided as a sham.

Apart from the contentious issues, diplomats said, 90 percent of the rest of the charter is on track as the group looks ahead to a possible regional free-trade zone and better cooperation on terrorism and nuclear power.

Meanwhile Asia's main security grouping, the ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF), will hold its annual two-day meeting starting on Wednesday.

ARF includes all of ASEAN as well as key partners including the European Union, the United States, Australia, China, Russia, India and Pakistan.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will not attend, but Washington will be represented by her deputy John Negroponte.

The top US negotiator on North Korea, Christopher Hill, was also due in Manila on Tuesday, the US embassy confirmed. But there was no word if he would hold talks with North Korea, which will also attend.
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For me, Human Rights has always presupposed the concept of "freedom of speech". That does seem to be sadly lacking in all the ASEAN countries, to a greater or lesser degree.
If you can't say roughly what you want to (or more to the point you're actually told it's against the law to speak out), then I can't see that any "Human Rights" issues are ever going to be changed in these countries.
How will anyone ever alter the social, education, economic or health issues if they're not able to critise?
Regardless of whether you're right or wrong, I'm a firm believer in argument - of a positive nature - developing a situation. If you've got no-one who's allowed to argue against you, then nothing moves ahead.
Status quo. Not good for the region, IMHO.
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Maybe the rest of the world is trying to push things forward too quickly.

As for Myanmar I did not realize they were in ASEAN. I am sure they were not when I was involved with them in KL.

My opinion of that country is less than flattering and their opinion should be dismissed. What they need is an invasion.

My belief is that the region as a whole is about 30 or 40 years behind the west socially. Singapore is already up with the West, Malaysia is close and Thailand is closing in rapidly. Myanmar is in retrograde motion.

So to lump in the most populated country in the world with arguably the most developed country in the world and then add the only country in the world that is advancing in reverse is sheer nonsense.

You might just as well have a region that include the USA, Bolivia, Somalia, Luxembourg and Argentina in it and use them to study the trend in human rights.

On the subject of freedom of speech is concerned, there is no country in the world that allows it. Thailand is very free so long as the much revered Royal Family are not insulted.

What freedom of speech do you have in the UK. News media companies are constantly being sued and many employees have to sign a confidentiality agreement before being taken on. Is is obligatory for a company that works for Government.

OK, you can get on a soap box and talk a load of bollocks at Hyde Park Corner without risk of prosecution. If that is what is meant by freedom of speech its is of little meaning. Of course their has to be a balance and that balance will differ from country to country for obvious reasons. I am sure that nobody wants a return of the Spanish Inquisition but total freedom of speech is a impossibility and would be the first step towards anarchy.

Also I am very sceptical about the motivations of the invitees at these meetings. My belief is that they masquerade as discussion on Human Rights but cloak the real motivation of greed. A brief study of history in the nineteenth century will show that the meetings produce nothing visibly beneficial to mankind.

I refer to Versailles, Yalta, SALT, The New York Tobacco Summit meting, the UN Iran/Iraq Summit meeting and a whole load of others. They caused sever hardship for millions of people for decades at worst and at best only provide financial gains for the host nations greedy industrialists.
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