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I've just booked a trip for my wife and I to visit Thailand next year. After this year's 'Cheap Charlie' trip with Aeroflot, which I thought was great, we will be slumming it next year with BA. However, I've really done it cheap this time using a combination of BA and Air Miles.

Both BA and Air Miles have stated:
The authorities at your destination now require security information for all passengers before flight departure. This includes your passport number and your intended address at your destination. If you don't supply this information it could delay you at the airport, so please enter the information in advance using this secure link:
http://www.ba.com/trade_en
Has anybody else encountered this? Is it something new? What are the penalties if I don't supply it?

I have no objection to providing the information, although I won't know my intended address until just before I arrive.
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Thank the pedos for it.
The only difference is asking before you board, its the same info asked for when you land.
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Big Boy whenever I have flown from London to Europe (must admit a few years ago), we always had to fill in and adress of where we were staying before we got on the plane.
If we had no accomodation, just used to take a few addresses from the holiday brochurs and use them. No one ever check to see if they were correct, just that this form always had to be filled in.
This was before the EU passports.

I am also pretty sure that we have to fill in the same info on the entry cards when we come from Australia now. Is no big deal just being safe in case of anything like the Tsunami again I would imagine.

If you have to put and address, if youy have family here BB just use theirs even if you are not going to stay there. Just warn them in case they happen to check up on you.
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chelsea,

I have told white lies on the Entry to Thailand from my first ever trip back in the 80s. I can never rememeber where I'm staying, and usually put my previous address in Thailand as my next - you're right they've never checked yet (or at least they've never found me to check).

However, my query on this occassion was because I've never encountered that message at the time of booking, and was wondering if anything had changed. If things have changed, are they actually going to be more stringent and check properly?

Additionally, as I said, I booked through 2 seperate agencies, and received the same message from both.

Hopefully my retirement is now less than 2 years away, and I don't want to do anything to upset the Thai authorities.
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BB, I can understand you not wanting to upset the authorities, but even if the immigration department did start checking on addresses, keep in mind that Thailand is expecting somewhere in the region of 15 million tourists this year. That means that they are getting an average of over 40,000 arrivals a day.
That is a hell of a lot of little white arrival cards to check up on!
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This is standard procedure for lots of destinations, it allows authorities to check and see if any "undesirables" are planning to travel. It has more to do with security than immigration. As stated by others the information is asked for on landing cards anyway.
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Riversider wrote:This is standard procedure for lots of destinations, it allows authorities to check and see if any "undesirables" are planning to travel. It has more to do with security than immigration. As stated by others the information is asked for on landing cards anyway.
Nah, nah - sorry, and absolutely no offense intended, but this is complete nonsense, unless of course the undesirables in question are daft enough to use their own identities. Almost every government immigration or security agency in the world has access to flight lists for names, dates of birth, etc. of passengers on every flight. And in any case they don't rely on some honest terrorist using genuine documents in his or her real name.

As far as addresses are concerned, you could state 'Hotel, Bangkok (or wherever)', whether on a landing card or on some pre-departure form, and have absolutely no comeback whatsoever. There is no requirement to have a pre-booked hotel room, or any specific address, to qualify as a tourist. Otherwise half the world's tourists would be unable to leave home.

As far as checking up on addresses is concerned, Steve G is absolutely right. Big Brother may be watching you, but he doesn't have enough resources to watch (or even care about) your every move in the US or Europe, never mind in Thailand. The arrival cards that standard tourists/visitors complete before arrival in the UK are a complete waste of time/effort/paper. 99% of them are shredded without any of the information being recorded.

There is a lot more international cooperation than there used to be, but, frankly, that isn't saying much. Money, politics and self-interest reign supreme.

This pre-boarding info is simply a way of saying, after some awful event, 'but look how careful we are.' The address is irrelevant unless the individual is of interest, and if the individual is of interest, he's hardly likely to give a genuine address.
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dtaai-maai,
I couldn't have put it better myself. :cheers:
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Post by caller »

Anyway BB, in a few years time, instead of just photographing you when you arrive, they'll know your inside leg measurement and probably have a copy of your fingerprint on record to confirm your ID.

Ironically, should actually speed things up!
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Thanks guys :thumb:

:oops: Just me being over-cautious seeing something that I've done dozens of times suddenly change :oops:
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