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Post by Terry »

A very good article from today's Bangkok Post.

Unfortunately I think the message will fall on deaf ears;

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To serve and protect

If you categorise motorists by distance travelled or frequency of driving, I would place somewhere in between because I am a daily driver.

But for someone who doesn't drive that much and is still subject to frequent stops at police inspection points _ then it's a fair assessment that there are simply too many inspection points in Bangkok.

These inspection points are a nuisance to the public. In the past when there was a traffic gridlock, most motorists would assume that some accident has occurred somewhere up front. A minor fender-bender because safe distances and necessary precautions while driving were not taken.

Today every motorist knows that the gridlock is being caused by a police checkpoint.

At times when I see such things it makes me feel pathetic and embarrassed. A flock of ''white head vultures'' on the roads are busy scavenging on their prey in a most enthusiastic manner without remorse or dignity. At some checkpoints I counted up to 15 vultures.

The official duties of the so called vultures is to provide assistance and convenience to the public and motorists.

The root of this dilemma is a bounty or 60% commission of the traffic penalty. I have no idea who issued this rule.

At a press conference on August 21 the deputy commissioner attached to the Office of National Police said the police chief was aware and concerned about the problems of the people stemming from traffic and highway police checkpoints. He stressed that it was imperative that they conduct themselves in a manner that promotes discipline. He also emphasised that any police officer who acts to the contrary and causes problems to the public will be punished severely with disciplinary and criminal charges.

There's more. He asked his subordinates to remember that traffic and highway police must present themselves with the highest standards of traffic discipline by thinking of providing convenience to motorists as their top priority. They shouldn't erect checkpoints at places that could lead to traffic gridlock such as road curves, narrow roads, steep paths or near the entrance to bridges.

The police chief made it very clear that he will not tolerate illegal checkpoints or any illegitimate apprehending of motorists by ''hiding'' from view, inviting drivers to commit an offence before emerging to slap them with fines or penalty. They must warn motorists first, he said.

The deputy commissioner urged his commanders and senior officers to monitor subordinates and prevent any action leading to personal gains through improper channels.

If they fail to comply charges will be brought against the superintendent, deputy superintendent and inspector for failing to perform their duties.

Oh! How scary. I am wondering why you are mouthing all of this to the public via the media. This is an in-house matter and something you (police) should be doing on a routine basis.

If you want results and are serious about improving your work process, the national police chief should tell the public of the proper methods and procedures of informing such wrongful acts by officers under him.

Nowadays the public can record video clips from digital cameras which will serve as proof of the wrongdoings on part of police officers. But my concern is how will you take in such evidence, and even better, the police should report to the public on how punishment was meted out to the policemen who broke the law.

The reason why I am citing the police statement is because I want our readers to understand that the police have no right whatsoever to set up checkpoints at will, so to speak.

We must keep an eye on such wrongdoings. We were brought up on false beliefs that we should be afraid of police. Some parents threaten their crying children by saying, ''If you don't keep quiet we'll call the police''.

I say we change this misconception and our way of thinking.

Most important of all, the police are there to serve the public. Every baht of the policeman's salary is our tax money.

It's pathetic that our servants don't have the conscience to serve their master who provides their monthly salary that feeds their families. Instead, they threaten their master and pinch money whenever the opportunity arises.

Motorists are usually scared of policemen. The only two things that make us scared of the policeman is his helmet and white gloves. Take a look when they remove them, which they do once they are within the confines of their air-conditioned kiosks or outposts. They look innocuous; you won't see an iota of ''scariness'' that we tend to credit them with.

Don't be scared of them. Know your rights. Be aware of their status, that they are in fact servants of the public. Then maybe you will feel more comfortable.

I ask trainers and teachers of policemen that they instill in their pupils the tenet that they are servants of the public, not their master. Their salary comes from the taxes that the public pays to the government.

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Don't be scared of them. Know your rights. Be aware of their status, that they are in fact servants of the public
My take would be, pay the 200 Baht he wants, shut your mouth and move on.
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The only two things that make us scared of the policeman is his helmet and white gloves. Take a look when they remove them ,,,, They look innocuous; you won't see an iota of ''scariness'' that we tend to credit them with.
Utter nonsense. No-ones bothered by their helmet or gloves, or whether they look scary or not, its the power they have to drag us off and do what they want and get away with it that worries us. Quite often if the old bill want to get you, they'll put some yabba's in your pocket and see you again in 5-10 years.
200 Baht, that's all they want.

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Post by danthai »

From my thai family i have understood that the wages for policemen are very low and that they even have to pay for equipment themselves. For thai people its understandable that they try to get a little extra money. Maybe we also have to remember this in our efforts to make Thailand more western!?
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danthai wrote:.....and that they even have to pay for equipment themselves.
Usually their moterbike and gun, that's why you see them on all sorts of scooters/choppers/150 Kawasakis waving anything from a WW2 Colt 45 to a Desert Eagle.

Well Mr Terry, ideally 'Yes' but it's certainly a ballsey suggestion. SJ might be on a less controversial path.
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They are about as scary as a boy scout on "Bob-a-job-week" but cheaper, unless, of course, you are Thai and perceive them as a cross between the head of the Waffen ss and Darth Vader .They tried to tug me on the bend near the sofitel this morning,strangely enough at the end of the month as per usual .I drove round them and went about 40m before I realised I was not wearing a seat belt .I reversed back to them,had a laugh and a joke and gave them 100 Bt .I had broken the law after all and my conscience got the better of me .The lorry blocking my escape route had nothing to do with my decision,honest guv .

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crazy88 wrote:...........you are Thai and perceive them as a cross between the head of the Waffen ss and Darth Vader.Crazy 88
That's about right, the locals persecption for sure.

Quite right with the smile, joke and get off lightly. Always works, as they are not really interested in us, just an extra 100 baht.

Ever met a Thai cop that know what an international license really looks like? :thumb:
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'Most important of all, the police are there to serve the public.'

According to a car mechanic? :shock:

He is deluded. As Clarence Darrow put it, 'The fellows who control the earth make the laws.' Those laws are set up typically to protect property. Therefore, those that make the laws are unlikely to break them. They set up a Court and Police system in order to protect the wealthy from the public.

Where they slip up and perhaps arrest a wealthy criminal, a decent trial lawyer will take care of it, or a bung to the right person or a funny handshake.

I do notice the lines of police with truncheons and tear gas 'protecting the public'. Presumably from themselves. Sure. Order has to be maintained. But when you see in numerous countries, that the Police, sometimes militarized, are the criminals, (Russia is a classic for this), is it really for our benefit?
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danthai wrote:..............the wages for policemen are very low and that they even have to pay for equipment themselves. For thai people its understandable that they try to get a little extra money................
And yet they queue up to get the job, why?

Because the minor investment in a motorcycle and twice as many gloves as Michael Jackson gives them permission to buy a real gun with a warranty rather than one on the black market, the ability to work a 10 hour week and the very lucrative opportunity to earn many times their basic salary in bribes and pseudo fines.

I agree on SJ regarding the scariness factor but Thais might see it differently. Many from the outlying rural areas still believe in ghosts, so maybe the white gloves have some supernatural connotations.

Personally I think the uniforms of the lower ranks makes them look like complete goons and not to be taken seriously. Even the side hanging Desert Eagle .50 penis extension with it's safety catch, empty magazine, and clipped leather holster does little more than attract a curious glance.

Maybe a few private prosecutions against wrong doing police may help. Secondly, do what I do, don't stop if at all possible. If everybody did it they would be able to stop no one. Also it's quite amusing seeing them fumble for their notebooks while they are rapidly disappearing into a spec of dust in your rear view mirror.

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I stayed in the UK for ten years and now just as many in Thailand and my thoughts are as follows:-

Lets just say we broke some minor traffic law in the UK - the police would stop you, you would have to blow into a pipe, fill out out a bunch of forms, go and pay a fine or appear in court, get points against your licence and during all this there would not be a single smile while it is implied that you are a verified criminal. Now, here in Thailand I break a minor law, the police pull me over, they try and look serious or they do this all while joking, I pay 200 baht (about £2.80) and I go on my way. Is there really anything to think about here? Yes it is wrong but as far as I'm concerned, give me the Thai way anyday - its just so much easier. Oh and by the way, a lot of the fines can be avoided by simply not making eye contact. If you are not seeing them then they can't show you to pull over and most can't be bothered coming after you. :thumb:
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Well, good posts Mr Guess, Crazy 88 and others.

If there's an epilogue here for me, then it's this,

"Didn't know you fishermen were so full of beans", good on you! :cheers:
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Im still waiting in anticipation to meet an actual police officer here in Thailand....been here a while....know some MIBs....still havent met a policeman..... Im sure there must be one somewhere..... :cheers:
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Post by pfotoguy369 »

The little woman and I just took a trip up north. we were stopped 3 times at road blocks.

1 was free the other 2 cost us 200 bt to pass.

My favorite was one that we had to pull over and wait in line for over five minutes because they had such a line of cars and trucks.

When we finally got up to the officer he asked for my license. (i have a Thai License) and said that would be 200 bt.

For what I said?

he said for speeding.

How can I be speeding I've been sitting in line for over five minutes.

They had me get out of the car and go over to a table where they had a Sargent and an officer, Capt. I guess writing tickets for various offences.

Again I said how can I be speeding I've been stuck in a line of waiting cars for several minutes. They just look at you and smile with that And whats your point look.

At least this time they took the time to actually write a ticket.

I got out my camera and was immediately told, No pictures allowed !!!
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i got stopped last night on the way back from bangkok,he asked me where id been and the usual where you going,then could he have a ciggerette ,i give him two ,hes says he only smokes menthol and passes them back,then he wants some money for coffee,no problem i give him 200 b ,he then asks how long have i lived in thailand,and where do i live .i replied this time 10 months and i rent my house off a friend who is a thai policeman,he wanted to know my friends rank,as soon as he realised his rank,he shit himself and gave me the money back saying he could not take it,i laughed and said its ok ,but he insisted i have it back,outcome was he asked me if i ever needed help just call him,funniest thing id ever witnesssed with the mib
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