Student beatings at St. Mary's College

[sandman67]

if you think that the teacher in the infamos clips's behaviour is in any way justified or acceptable, you seriously should spend the next 180 quid you earn having the snip, as you are definitely NOT parent material.

The teacher in the clip is a sadistic bastard getting his sick cheap thrills out of humiliating kids and brutalising them. He behaves like a schoolyard bully....what an excellent message to beat into a class of kids eh?

THAT teacher is one of the many influences that make for violent kids.

If that were one of my kids the teacher would now be missing his thumbs. He should be banned from ever teaching again, and if he has his own kids they should be put in care and removed from his sick influence. In the UK this shitbag would be looking at a stretch inside, spent entirely in solitary to protect him from other prisoners.

There are effective ways of disciplining bad kids, this is NOT one of them. This isnt a frickin episode of Whacko!

A brutal society makes for brutal citizens, and abusers breed abusers....I wonder how many of his class will now end up as beaters and abusers.

[Big Boy]

You've obviously been indoctrinated by the PC crowd (and please believe me when I say that I don't have a clear replay of the YouTube clips). If the punishment is excessive, I can't see it. Executing the punishment in front of the rest of the school is giving out a clear message, which should act as a deterrent to the others.

I grew up in the world when 'limited' punishments of this kind were permitted, and I believe the UK was a much safer place back then. These days the kids know that they can roam the streets terrorising people, and nobody can touch them. There just aren't enough police around to stop them. Try to deal with problem and risk ending up locked inside yourself.

I don't thing receiving or watching minimal corporal punishment turned anybody into a violent thug. However, seeing one's father cutting off a teacher's thumbs in retribution would definitely give out the message to oppose authority with violence, which nicely brings us back to the thugs who roam the streets of Britain.

[chopsticks]

Yep, a quick rap on the knuckles by Sr. Sadist never did anyone any harm stops the kid becoming a wuss...bring back conscription.
Oh, forgot they have that already, sort of.

[sandman67]

BB

let me start by saying that PC is alien to me...Im a Lancashire man...I say what I like and I bloody well like what I say. And rest assured compared to me you are a commie. Im big government and big state thru and thru. And I think sometimes old Enoch had a point.

Anyway...back to your yahoo for child abuse and aint being human commie post......

so does a hangman like our Albert Pierrpoint rub his legs with anticipation, delay delivery to increase terror in his recipient, then after the strike or pull of the lever gurn at his audience and seek approval? No...he delivers punishment in an automatonical manner. That, in itself, questions HIS humanity. Your not seeing whats wrong with that vid is another....

If y like I can sit thru the video with you and show you frame by frame a repeating cycle called

anticipation - delivery - affermation - enhance

its a basic psychology cylce associated with ALL mass voilence including genocides.

Y see him "adjusting" his shorts...wanna know the fucked up part? Bet he had a hard on...because sickos who do this sort of shit get their kicks that way. Hes delivering a nylon frisson to his weeny like the sad sick shitbag he is. Take it from me that bastard has a semi-chubby on.

If you cant see what is wrong in that video Im wasting typing....and you, sir, are a f ing idiot. You aint...and thats what pisses me off.

As I said, back in the UK this twat would be looking at 5 inside for ABH and spending it on the pervos wing away from normal prisoners. Because back west, and according to the UN Charter on Human Rights, this is CHILD ABUSE

That says it all.

Also as I said, if hed done it to my (adopted admittedly) kids Id cut the bastards thumbs off with a pair of wire snips, my only regret being not being able to do it in front of his class with THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE WHO BEAT KIDS written on the blackboard.

BB hang your head in shame bro - you said its OK to beat on kids for a sexual thrill.

clap hands

[chopsticks]

Dunno about that Thai teacher and the rap on the knuckles brigade which are in a different league but here's a real sicko from circa 1970-80 who has been unearthed - sentencing due on Monday....

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-New ... _and_1980s

[Big Boy]

I've just watched both clips again - twice; one time on my son's laptop. You must be getting a better quality replay to me because apart from seeing him pull his shorts up once, I can't see what you're talking about. It was just a good old fashioned caning of a similar ilk to that dished out at my old school.

your yahoo for child abuse and aint being human commie post......

I was simply pointing out that in my day it didn't me or my schoolmates any harm, and I feel the streets were safer for this discipline. I was certainly not condoning GBH against the school teacher as I believed this would totally set the wrong impression. It would have been a case of, "If you touch me, my dad will be around with his wire cutters, and chop your thumbs off." If the teacher backed down, total anarchy reigns because the poor teacher is defenceless.

Y see him "adjusting" his shorts...wanna know the ***** up part? Bet he had a hard on...because sickos who do this sort of shit get their kicks that way. Hes delivering a nylon frisson to his weeny like the sad sick shitbag he is. Take it from me that bastard has a semi-chubby on.

I think you're looking at the video, seeing 2 + 2 and making 49. There is no way that I can see that level of detail. However, I said a few times now that it's a bad reproduction here. Maybe I'm missing something through the poor playback.

As I said, back in the UK this twat would be looking at 5 inside for ABH and spending it on the pervos wing away from normal prisoners. Because back west, and according to the UN Charter on Human Rights, this is CHILD ABUSE

I don't disagree with that statement at all. If you look back at my opening response, I said, "I know it's not PC these days, but a caning or the slipper never did me any harm. I bet their room didn't get messy again."

Of course I know it can't happen in the UK these days. What I'm saying is that it did neither me nor my classmates any harm, and I believe the UK's streets were safer as a result. If kids know they can get away with it, they will.

BB hang your head in shame bro - you said its OK to beat on kids for a sexual thrill.

I did not say anything of the sort - I think your imagination/fantasising is running away with you.

[STEVE G]

BB hang your head in shame bro - you said its OK to beat on kids for a sexual thrill.

I've just re-read this thread and BB didn't say anything even approaching that!

[Super Joe]

I didn't think the actual punishment was too harsh, but it was a bit creepy to say the least how he was carrying out, particularly the hesitating bit and the playing up to the gallery. He deserves a bit of a kicking for that more than anything. Also think it's wrong to do it in front of an audience, it was always in the head masters office in my old junior school, not sure if that would be allowed this day and age. It certainly worked as a deterrent fear wise, but then that's 7 to 11 years old if I remember rightly.

We never had it in seniors though, guess it wouldn't really work with teenagers, although some of the girls would have been well up for it from what I remember, oops sorry, going all SM on you

SJ

[Takiap]

I certainly don't agree that caning teaches kids it's acceptable to bully. During my ten odd years in the UK, I discovered that bullying is a huge problem in the schools there, and might I add, school kids are not allowed to be disciplined. So, when there's bullying, the guilty ones are simply told how bad they are, and that it's so "naughty". Now to me, that sends out the wrong message. If any guy ever lifts one of his hands to my daughters , I'll personally drag the him back to my place by the scruff of his neck, and I will get a bit of bamboo out of the garden, and his ass will get a right bloody caning. The bugger won't be able to sit for weeks. So, if you have a son, you had better warn him in advance not to mess with my girls, should they ever meet up one day

When I was in school back in SA, bullying in schools was unheard of because you knew, in no uncertain terms, that if you partook in such activity, you'd be rewarded with six beautiful purple stripes across your backside. Did we all grow up to be thugs and child beaters...............No we did not.

All these rules which are in place nowadays which prevent a parent from even slapping their kid on the hand or legs really hasn't done much good at all. After all, look at how much teenage knife crime there is on the UK's streets nowadays. This tells me that hidings are not the cause of violence, given that hidings no longer take place in the UK. And, let's not forget just how quick the UK was to go into Iraq. That is seen by many as an act of violence, so again, the "no hidings" policy doesn't seem to be working.

In the US, as another poster has already mentioned, teachers fear for their lives. Has the "no discipline" policy worked?

Don't forget, all kids are different. Some are easy, some are difficult. Some will respond well to a harsh telling off, others won't. Getting stuck into your teenage son, smacking him in the face or punching him....................that's violence. A stroke across the backside is not exactly what one would call violence.

Just look around you and you'll notice animals even discipline their offspring, and yes, before anyone says it, I know we are not animals.

Lastly, on the subject of being PC and/or a commie................When a government has so much power that they are able to dictate how one should raise their kids,....................well, go figure it out for yourself. I'm sorry, but I just don't see why any politician should have the right to say how one should raise their own kids. 99% of those in power don't even know anything about raising kids because they're so involved in their jobs that they need to use child minders. If you ask me, they're the ones who are piss-poor parents.I wonder how many shitty nappies Blair has changed in his life, or any other high-so twat. The way I see it, they should first go and learn how to raise their own kids, and then they can come and talk.

My wife's Mom and Dad often think I'm being mean because I'm so insistent that my kids eat proper food at meal times rather that have their bellies filled with crap. As I've said many times, they're not qualified to offer such advice, because after all, they have no experience at bringing up kids. Just like most Thais, their kids were shipped off to the grandparents.


Okay.......rant over, and BTW, I don't beat my kids. Quite the opposite really, but that's been my decision, not the state's.

[PeteC]

A little side note about eating meals as a family, especially dinner. I enjoyed and benefited greatly from the experience as a child. As a single parent with my first two kids I could only arrange it on weekends but even then it was something we all looked forward to in order to discuss the week, what's going on in everyone's life etc. I'm happy to now see my first two kids doing the same thing with their children as often as possible.

With my little one here now we do it every night, and turn the TV off during the meal as well. (Such a foreign and strange practice?! ) You would be amazed how a 5 year old opens up and begins talking about everything...joys...troubles...family questions etc.

I highly recommend that you try it if not doing so already. You'll be amazed. Pete

[Khundon1975]

Ex-Headteacher Faces Jail For Abusing Boys

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6:19pm UK, Friday September 03, 2010

Huw Borland, Sky News Online
A former boarding school headteacher is facing jail for abusing boys in Norfolk and Suffolk during the 1970s and 1980s.

Derek Slade, 61, of Burton-on-Trent, Staffordshire, was convicted at Ipswich Crown Court of more than 50 offences and will be sentenced on Monday.

A jury found him guilty of sexually assaulting and beating boys between 1978 and 1983 at private schools in Wicklewood, Norfolk, and Great Finborough, Suffolk.

His 12 victims were aged between eight and 13 years.

Slade had confessed to being a paedophile and told jurors there was a sexual motive behind the corporal punishment he would inflict on the youngsters.

SM, I agree that the power kick it gave the Thai teacher, was because he was getting sexual pleasure from what he was doing.

[chopsticks]

Dunno about that Thai teacher and the rap on the knuckles brigade which are in a different league but here's a real sicko from circa 1970-80 who has been unearthed - sentencing due on Monday....

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-New ... _and_1980s

He was sentenced yesterday to a 21 year jail term.

[Khundon1975]

It seems to me, that if a child of any age has to be beaten with a stick, then you, as a parent, have lost the war.

Discipline should not be by the cane but should be by the spoken word from an early age. If you have to resort to violence in any form, then that says more about you and your parenting skills than it does about the child.

Kids will always push the boundaries, it is up to the parents and teachers to make sure that the pushing stops well before the cane comes out.

[hhfarang]

Kids will always push the boundaries, it is up to the parents and teachers to make sure that the pushing stops well before the cane comes out.

KD, please give us the magic formula to achieve that miracle with all kids. If, indeed, you could accomplish this with any kid you could write a book and make a million.

[Khundon1975]

Kids will always push the boundaries, it is up to the parents and teachers to make sure that the pushing stops well before the cane comes out.

KD, please give us the magic formula to achieve that miracle with all kids. If, indeed, you could accomplish this with any kid you could write a book and make a million.

I don't know about you, but I do not see all children as rude, undisciplined and disrespectful little tykes.

I doubt it would work with all kids, but it starts with the parents and how they deal with their children.
Of course many parents are happy to leave discipline to the cane and the teachers that wield it, but isn't that just the parents expecting teachers to deal with the mess, they as parents created.

I have 8 nieces and nephews, non of which have ever been beaten or caned by their parents or teachers and every one has turned into a happy well rounded adult, with respect for their parents, friends and other members of society.

If any teacher has to resort to abusing the children they teach to instill discipline, then it's too late, just don't blame the child, they only know what they have been taught, or not taught, was acceptable behavior as a child, by their parents.