British man, wife murdered in Thap Sakae resort

[deepee]

hhfarang,
presume those stats are per annum.Wonder what percentage of the Thai ones are expats/visitors ? could be interesting when compared to some other countries.
Oh,oops silly me, nearly forgot that lots of expats commit suicide or fall out of tall buildings by accident or just simply disappear around Thailand don't they.

[hhfarang]

presume those stats are per annum

Yes, and those are from 2009

Here's another interesting table I found:

"Murders with firearms (most recent) by country"

Note that Thailand is above the U.S. and these stats are total murders (with firearms), not per capita... so this would indicate that you are many times more likely to be murdered with a firearm in Thailand than in the U.S. if you also compare the populations of the two countries and do the math to come up with a per capita figure. The figures are old (2002) but I suspect they've gotten worse (per capita), not better since then, especially in Thailand.

DEFINITION: Total recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.

SOURCE: The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

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[GLCQuantum]

It seems Thailand is not as safe as I once thought

#14 Thailand:0.0800798 per 1,000 people

Thailand is as safe as YOU want to make it. Unfortunately there are a few 'one offs' involving farangs but nothing to shout and scream about. A safer place to live than most parts of England will ever be..... old people getting on their high horses again.

[PeteC]

Each and every time I read story like this I can't help but think that there were words of conflict before the event. A slur, a yelling at, a nasty demand etc. These people didn't check in with a boot filled with Louis Vuitton luggage. Based upon the description of their possessions and cash, they almost resemble backpackers. What was the motive? My point is, there is surely more to these incidents than is reported. Pete

[richard]

Each and every time I read story like this I can't help but think that there were words of conflict before the event. A slur, a yelling at, a nasty demand etc. These people didn't check in with a boot filled with Louis Vuitton luggage. Based upon the description of their possessions and cash, they almost resemble backpackers. What was the motive? My point is, there is surely more to these incidents than is reported. Pete

Well said Pete and in many cases it may be the case

Thais do not like to lose face and it can tip the balance in terms of revenge. I was once rebuked by my ex-wife (yes it's over I think) because I did not return a Waii. Once again it a case of understanding Thai culture.

Many incidents when the truth comes out, seem to be the result of some sort of disagreement.

Some years back I was mugged in my front garden. I was hit before I opened the front door so robbery was not the issue. It transpired after several enquiries by Thai neighbours that it was mistaken identity and the target was the farang next door who a couple of days earlier had fired some builders doing work in his bar/restaurant and not paid them.

I guess some of you will hear bells ringing now. Where have I heard that before???

[Takiap]

Well, coming from South Africa, I still find Thailand to be a very safe place (seen tables posted by HHF)....lol.


At the same time, these sorts of tables/figures can be somewhat misleading. For instance, 80% of the murders in South Africa occur in areas that no normal person would venture into. Of the remaining 20% which occur in "normal" areas, 19% of them are carried out by people coming from the areas nobody would visit.


If you were to divide South Africans into three groups, you would find that one group is responsible for 1% of murders (if it's even as much as that), the second group is responsible for about 10%, and the third group is responsible for the rest.

This is not speculation either................it's fact! Any honest South African will confirm this. Of course I could be more specific, but that wouldn't be politically correct.


Anyway, it's great to see my home team are still at the top of the table.

[Takiap]

It seems Thailand is not as safe as I once thought

#14 Thailand:0.0800798 per 1,000 people

Thailand is as safe as YOU want to make it. Unfortunately there are a few 'one offs' involving farangs but nothing to shout and scream about. A safer place to live than most parts of England will ever be..... old people getting on their high horses again.

No it's not as safe as you want to make it. Hundreds of people have their homes broken into in and around Hua-Hin, and people, including Thais, are being mugged evermore frequently. Thailand may be safer than a lot of other places, but it's certainly not as safe as it once was. Mate, you're not the only one who loves the country, but let's not pretend it's a land of milk, honey, and total innocence.

[STEVE G]

Yes, and to be honest apart from a few inner city areas, England is a very safe place indeed. The village where I was brought up hasn't had a death from shooting since I was born there more than forty years ago.

[Johnnywastaken]

...hmmm...While at the risk of sounding insensitive... this is precisely why I won't rush into a relationship with a Thai woman...
It may seem ideal at the time.... but one only knows about the history of nut cases and walking time bombs she's left in her midst.... Thai boy friends, husbands, relatives... even sons... not even taking into account if she'd ever ripped someone off in a previous business dealing...

This British man may have been guilty by association... the robbery part of this was purely an act of impulse after the deed was done... she was naked from the waist down so someone was sending a message... but then again... Thai criminals are notorious for being careless...

[charlesh]

Had to smile when I saw the figures for Indonesia, Saudi and Qatar. Wonder if they excluded crimes against non citizens like Thais, Filipinos etc or those "tried"under sharia law or dare I say it terrorist acts against infidels?

Poor bloody victims again and terribly misunderstood perpetrators!

[hhfarang]

Thailand is as safe as YOU want to make it.

That's true, and I make it safe by staying home 90% (99% at night) of the time in my alarmed cement block bunker that is surrounded by a two meter wall also restraining two roving guard dogs and leaving the property lighted all night every night and having little interaction with the locals.

I never felt like I had to live that way anywhere else in the world and I've lived in four countries including three large metropolitan areas in North America, one in Europe, and one in the Middle East...

(however, I did have a handgun handy most of my life in the U.S., which in my opinion is better than all the protection I have provided for myself and family here )

[Johnnywastaken]

Thailand is as safe as YOU want to make it.

That's true, and I make it safe by staying home 90% (99% at night) of the time in my alarmed cement block bunker that is surrounded by a two meter wall also restraining two roving guard dogs and leaving the property lighted all night every night and having little interaction with the locals.

...No doubt your mail man will probably trip a claymore one of these days...

[HHTel]

HHFarang said:

That's true, and I make it safe by staying home 90% (99% at night) of the time in my alarmed cement block bunker that is surrounded by a two meter wall also restraining two roving guard dogs and leaving the property lighted all night every night and having little interaction with the locals.

I never felt like I had to live that way anywhere else in the world and I've lived in four countries including three large metropolitan areas in North America, one in Europe, and one in the Middle East...

So why the hell are you here...... beggars belief!!!

[caller]

Yes, and to be honest apart from a few inner city areas, England is a very safe place indeed. The village where I was brought up hasn't had a death from shooting since I was born there more than forty years ago.

Agree 100%. Recall a few years back on my then suburban London street, my Alfa got broken into and when I reported it, the Police said it was the first crime in my street almost from year dot! Turned out an isolated incident linked to a few other problems that night in the locale with the perpertrators being from Reading - and they were caught!

GLC - where in the UK are you from?

[hhfarang]

Sorry, edited out double post...