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MrPlum wrote: 1. The way the two scrums engage is tightly controlled. Yet the actual 'put-in' is not. Whatever happened to "Not straight?!" Doesn't this render scrums a little pointless? I haven't heard of one being won against the head for a long time.

2. Line-outs, likewise, are more predictable. Allowing players to lift gives an unfair advantage. What was the reason for allowing it?
Scrums: the one major remaining problem. Usually solved by a fairly randomly awarded (and occasionally grossly unfair) penalty.
The problem with making scrums less competitive is that it makes the game too close to rugby league... then what do you do with the extra forwards? Reduce the team size to 13? There is still a big advantage to be gained by controlling your own scrum and/or legitimately spoiling the opposition's possession. There may not be as many scrums against the head (most hookers don't compete), but there is still the occasional 'not straight' penalty awarded - again pretty random, and just to keep the scrum halves relatively honest, I think!

Line-outs were a nightmare that desperately needed to be dealt with, slowing the game down with constant infringements. The worst infringement was lifting, so what did they do? Make it legal - perfect answer! Line-outs should be balanced in favour of the team throwing in, and now they are, but it is still possible to turn them round.

One of the most influential differences is in rucks and mauls, you often see 8-9-10+ phase rugby, very fluent and exciting.

A real expert will probably tell you different!
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When I were a lad it was 3 points for a try. Regarding the size of today`s players in the late 50`s early 60`s England`s second row was Marks and Curry who stood around 6`3", midgets by today`s standards.
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MrPlum wrote:The game has certainly developed.

Couple of questions for the experts...

1. The way the two scrums engage is tightly controlled. Yet the actual 'put-in' is not. Whatever happened to "Not straight?!" Doesn't this render scrums a little pointless? I haven't heard of one being won against the head for a long time.

2. Line-outs, likewise, are more predictable. Allowing players to lift gives an unfair advantage. What was the reason for allowing it?

Great finish to Scotland v Argentina.
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1. ''Feeding'' is a pain in the @rse to me and continues to happen without control - as does ''Foot Up''!! :cuss: :banghead:
2. Players are allowed to ''Support'', not lift :roll: :roll:

Argentina vs Scotland....... superb! I'm biased, but this game was second only to Wales vs SA.

Feel sorry for the Scots, but well done to the Argies :cheers: :cheers:
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Wales for the final anyone?
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JimmyGreaves wrote:Wales for the final anyone?
England vs NZ
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richard wrote:
JimmyGreaves wrote:Wales for the final anyone?
England vs NZ
What rubbish :neener:
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JimmyGreaves wrote:Wales for the final anyone?
I've got a fiver on it........
jamesfrancis1 wrote:What rubbish :neener:


Despite tw@ts like this :roll:
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If Scotland beat England and progress to the next round what are the chances the Argies will squawk "conspiracy".
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pharvey wrote:
JimmyGreaves wrote:Wales for the final anyone?
I've got a fiver on it........
jamesfrancis1 wrote:What rubbish :neener:


Despite tw@ts like this :roll:

What a complete waist of a fiver :neener:
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Arcadian wrote:If Scotland beat England and progress to the next round what are the chances the Argies will squawk "conspiracy".
England to field a 2nd XV.........
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jamesfrancis1 wrote:
pharvey wrote:
JimmyGreaves wrote:Wales for the final anyone?
I've got a fiver on it........
jamesfrancis1 wrote:What rubbish :neener:


Despite tw@ts like this :roll:

What a complete waist of a fiver :neener:
I have absolute faith...... :roll: :D

Then again, would be nice to avoid an @rse whipping by the Blackness...... they look a tad too strong :cry:
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:shock: OMG pharvey, are you on steroids, or just holding back for bets? :wink:
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Big Boy wrote::shock: OMG pharvey, are you on steroids, or just holding back for bets? :wink:
Mark my words BB...... mark my words!! :D
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Now back home and looking at the table I feel like Plymouth Argyle in the results.
After three weeks in various family homes in England and France then a couple of days in BKK gave me little chance to analyse results deliberate pick games
Should do better now.like the Wallabies :D
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Kingsley Jones believes Wales are the best northern hemisphere side at the World Cup and feels this year is their best chance to reach the final.
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