M/F ratio effects culture ?? HOW

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What do you make the ratio

1 to 1
13
72%
2 to 1
3
17%
3 to 1
0
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higher than 3 to 1
2
11%
 
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M/F Culure effects ratio?? - How

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Flippin' heck that's a poll and a half! Like some others I'm not answering it. Not because of being absent from HH, but because simple observation of the local population alone really isn't scientific.
Men - (dare I add, in particular farang men) are bound to 'see' more women than men out and about. Just as women would clock more men!
I also always thought that birthrates worldwide tend to be slightly higher numbers of girls to boys, simply because thats what nature intended for the survival of the human race?
But if simple observation in a town like HH has produced a 3/4 to 1 ratio there are many explanations. Some already mentioned, like the number of Thai men who are in temples, or the services, or simply away working.
But in places like HH there is the other factor. Men stay away to allow their women to get on with the business of fleecing farangs. :duck:
Sorry guys - it had to be said.

Meanwhile Sarges' first - and very pertinent - question has largely been overlooked. I.E how would a 3/4 to 1 ratio affect culture, politics and attitudes in our own countries.
Well I guess women would see their way clear to become politicians, scientists and engineers on the basis of merit, rather than the need to fill female quotas. They would be even less picky in their choice of men, and probably decide to marry in even less numbers. But they would demand high class IVF sperm from an ever decreasing decent gene pool to father children which would be brought up by an increasing number of single Mums. Meanwhile women would of course continue to do all the things they usually do, like going out to do the shopping (and be head counted in the process.)
Overall then not a lot would change.
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Thankyou mags at least you have answered the first question and agree with me that it would change the society and how women think please note the mens thinking would change as well (as pointed out to Mrs Sarge and son they have the right to make choices but bummer as it is to them so do i)
Whilst i would probably disagree with how it would manifest itself at least it is the start of the debate
So another question raised by your and i quote "But they would demand high class IVF sperm from an ever decreasing decent gene pool to father children"
question How quickly would these selected boys become little princes and become lazy and sit around on the whiskey all day

just a point the survey is not nor never has been scientific and its NOT a question of counting what you want to look at it is counting what you see
and not making presumptions about what you dont see
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Well, I don't know how reliable these stats are, but the ratio seems to be about 1:1 with actually more males than females in the younger age ranges:
http://www.indexmundi.com/thailand/demo ... ofile.html
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I've dropped the Mrs off at school for their Mothers Day presentation this morning. 100 kids split 50/50 boy and girl. 60 or so adults only 3 or 4 men.

Even on a Mothers Day, when you would expect it to be heavily weighed for a female majority, it only just got over 2-1 in favour of female.

I think the poll is flawed, most members are posting remarks in the same direction. The poll would be more realistic if instead of 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, it read 1.1-1, 1.2-1, 1.3-1.

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Sarge, I've just done the survey. Spent 15 minutes in the local army barracks, the sort where about half a million of the population hide away,
the ratio is officially 2000:1 (I think she polishes their helmets, busy lady :wink: )

Fair enough you don't believe the governments statistics, but data from every other country in the world shows that the majority of countries are within the margins of Thailand, for either sex.
The greatest ratio of any country is just under 1.2 females to 1 male, and you think it could be 3 or 4:1 here :shock:

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sargeant wrote:Thankyou mags at least you have answered the first question and agree with me that it would change the society and how women think please note the mens thinking would change as well (as pointed out to Mrs Sarge and son they have the right to make choices but bummer as it is to them so do i)
To answer this question, I think you have to look back to the 2nd World War for the answer. The men were away, so the women had to step up to the jobs traditionally done by men - no big deal.

To bring that scenario to the modern day, it would still happen, but have a much lesser effect ie a lot women these days do jobs that were previously in the man's domain.

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this is interesting.....

tried it in two banks: both had one man and at least 5 or 6 women working.

Homepro: roughly one third male two thirds female.

Tesco: 3 males (all standing about with hands in pockets) and many many females.

seems the plod and the army are where all them men are....

Not all thai males are indolent and lazy. Mrs S's dad still toils on the farm at 60, and his eldest son holds down three jobs and works his arse off.

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Its the questions asked in the op which matter
1… If your own country suddenly had an imbalance ratio of 3/4 women to 1 man how do you think it would change your countries culture/politics/individuals attitudes
2… Do you think that this phenomena has any MAJOR bearing on how ordinary people here think and act if so give an example or 10
3… If you think it does effect how the people here think and act how can we expect our politicians both our own and the Thai to be able to make sensible decisions on a fact of major difference which they do not even know about let alone understand
4… If it suddenly went 50/50 here what would be the big changes
5... if you took this into account in your daily thoughts here in LOS would it make it easier for you to understand the Thai culture and how they think

How questions 2 3 4 and 5 have nothing to do with thai life and relationships is beyond me but whatever
If anyone would actualy read my posts i will say it again its what you see not what you think
oh and sj you were definitely not in fort dhanarat of which i am a life member or suan son or the kings guard barracks i did ask pretty please not to screw it just because its me
SM you are doing it correctly abut one day doth not a figure make come back in a few days and tell me how it has changed
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sargeant wrote:Its the questions asked in the op which matter
1… If your own country suddenly had an imbalance ratio of 3/4 women to 1 man how do you think it would change your countries culture/politics/individuals attitudes Is this a rhetorical question, because your 3/4 to 1 is not the case.

2… Do you think that this phenomena has any MAJOR bearing on how ordinary people here think and act if so give an example or 10 What phenomena, at best its 1.2 to 1

3… If you think it does effect how the people here think and act how can we expect our politicians both our own and the Thai to be able to make sensible decisions on a fact of major difference which they do not even know about let alone understand Of course they don't know about it, the whole thing only resides in your own head.

4… If it suddenly went 50/50 here what would be the big changes You mean if it moved from say, 52/48 to 50/50 what would change, well they would sell maybe a few more pairs of trousers than they would skirts.

5... if you took this into account in your daily thoughts here in LOS would it make it easier for you to understand the Thai culture and how they think So if I take this science fiction fantasy of yours into account it would be easier and I would better understand Thai Culture and how the Thai people think. Mmmmmmmm.

How questions 2 3 4 and 5 have nothing to do with thai life and relationships is beyond me but whatever They have nothing to do with anything, it's your fantasy, maybe it would be better if you told us, rather than complain because we see that your figures are flawed.

If anyone would actualy read my posts i will say it again its what you see not what you think No, it's what you see and think.

oh and sj you were definitely not in fort dhanarat of which i am a life member or suan son or the kings guard barracks i did ask pretty please not to screw it just because its me

SM you are doing it correctly abut one day doth not a figure make come back in a few days and tell me how it has changed
Sorry Sarge, there are not 3/4 women to 1 man in Thailand. I saw the highlights of the Liverpool Game in Bangkok on the news a week or so ago, not many women in that arena. They dug up our road for a week recently, 20 guys and not one women, same with the Electric company that ran 3 phase wires down the Soi. I've just been up Tansamai, more men sat eating from the foodstalls than women, but then more women cooking the food than men, so all in all, about 50/50.
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Why does anyone bother?
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Some very interesting Stats on this link:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _sex_ratio

The high proportion of Males under 15 years in China - and in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States for one.

Thailand's 'official' stats are very middle of the road.

I have previously heard things about high proprtions of females in the Philipines for instance but this may be perceived rather than factual, may apply to Thailand as well.

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Sabai Jai wrote: I have previously heard things about high proprtions of females in the Philipines
There are certainly higher proportions of females in certain parts of the Philippines ... such as Ermita ... apparently. :oops:
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Buksi

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Interesting list comparing all countries. It seems the Eastern European man die very early. Perhaps to much Vodka. I looked up Russia, there are 52% death between 15 and 54 due to alcohol.

In China they used to kill the girls after birth, because they wanted boys. Seems still to be the case.

In Arabia they have a lot of men from other countries working for them. But in Quatar there are 2.84 men/women over 65, so the workers seem not to return to their orginal countries.
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M/F Culure effects ratio?? - How

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Fair enough Sarge - accepted that it isn't meant as a scientific study (as many others aren't). Just social observation?
So would the reducing number of boys become 'little Princes'? Probably. Less males would likely attract more reverance. Theres another side to it though. As BB rightly points out women have undertaken more traditional male roles at work since WW1 - and 2, but still either choose not to enter science, engineering, construction etc in great numbers. They do however tend to work full time in commerce and civil service jobs in high numbers. SM's quick figures on the bank/Tesco/Homepro male/female balance is probably reflected in many countries. And that's without seeing how many women are working in offices. Often at management level and higher.
The results of that debated now in the West is whether the 'multi tasking' working woman has the effect of emasculating the men around her. Read something just at the weekend about professional women who take over the running of the home as they didn't before. Paying the bills, phoning the plumber etc, leaving their little Princes with very little in the way of traditional responsibilty.
Its not too much of a leap to imagine minority males starting to complain about being treated just as sex objects is it?
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