
http://1sttube.videosift.com/video/TDS-Scamalot
Big Boy wrote:This is life in the UK .Another heartbroken mother is weeping.Her 17yr.old son is on the evening news because he has been shot dead.Was a promising young footballer,NOT associated with any gangs.People are asking why? WHY? it's a city in England,thats why.
Caller wrote:& don't forget the other tragedy - they've arrested a 13 year old for the crime.
Now, what I'm curious about is how can there be gun crime in a country where owning guns is pretty much illegal?Why don't we wait for the truth to be learnt? He was very young to be out so late as was the an even younger guy that semingly inflicted the wound? The youth in some of these areas, their backgrounds in mainly the now poorer areas of London - is a whole story waiting to be told, linked to immigration and housing policy and so on. Its a much bigger picture of failure, created by politicians, liberals (hey, I once was), whatever - its failure on a grand scale and will blight the UK for many years, in all its ramifications.
H20Dunc,H2ODunc wrote:Wanderlust, just look at the state of things in London at the moment. Its like Dodge! There was a debate I watched on TV the other day about Barack Obama trying to ban guns. There was a mob guy on it. he said the only person that benefits from banning guns is the bad guy. The bad guy doesn't care that they are illegal. he then knows that he has the advantage over the good guy. Where it is legal to shoot burglars you find very few of them. here are a couple of links to look at but there are lots out there. As the mobster says. When Governments ban things, anything, it just means more money for the bad guys, and he's dead right![]()
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=15304
http://www.fff.org/freedom/0794c.asp
Did I say or claim I was a crime expert? No, I didn't, but I did live in London from birth to when I left for Thailand 10 years ago, but I didn't feel that was relevant; you said that London is like Dodge, implying gunfights all over the place, and my own experience contradicts that, as well as that of my parents who still live there, or any number of friends who still do, including a policeman. You are exaggerating. Saying that isn't offensive to those who have lost their lives at all - I didn't say there was no crime or murder now did I? I am sure that some areas in parts of London are worse than others but you should be more specific when making your posts. The whole of London is not blighted by constant gunfights and violence. And I made the very point that you did at the end of your post, if you care to read againH2ODunc wrote:Twice in 2 years and you are a crime expert ? I lived there for years. Before they banned all guns from the UK gun crime was a rarity. now CHILDREN are shooting each other all over the country. To say I am exaggerating is an insult to all those young people who have lost their lives over the last few years. As the mobster said. Only the law abiding follow the law, the bad guys don't. Banning anything just makes money for them. As in drugs, guns, alcohol when they made that illegal etc etc etc. Just think about the logic of your argument. Do you honestly think that the bad guys are going to stop using guns just because they are illegal ? WELL ? EXACTLY. The only way to rid gun crime is to make possession of a gun punishable by 10 years in jail. No if's or but's just 10 years!
Banning the sale of guns and the ownership of guns except to a very few who genuinely need them (e.g. farmers and shotguns) and making the punishment severe will mean less guns around to be stolen and used in crimes, and more expensive for the bad guys to get, both in the money they have to shell out and the penalty if caught with them. It also takes time, several years I would think, for such policies to take effect and for the supply of guns to diminish. In the US it would take several decades I should think.It is not just a question of banning guns but also the punishments for having them and using them should be severe enough to make it an effective deterrent.