60 Year Leases ??

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60 Year Leases ??

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Phuket land office is allowing the registration of two seperate 30 year leases. One runs and ends in 2039, the second is also registered at the land office now and commences in 2039 ending in 2069.
The second lease is a seperate contract and not a renewal of the first lease, as payments (rental) are made in advance against the second contract it makes it a binding agreement under Thai law, and the landowner, current or future, does not need to attend the land office in 30 years time.
No official announcement has been made about it, a Hua Hin lawyer is making enquiries at the Hua Hin Land Office about it.


Most likely it will likely come to nothing, could it be a clever way for the government to effectively allow longer lease periods without actually changing the law and upsetting the nationalists ?. When you read the letter of the law (Civil and Commmerical Codes - Book 3 Specific Contacts, Hire of Property), it could be interpreted that it does not contradict the 30 year rule, ie:
Section 537 - A hire of immovable property is a 'contract' whereby a person, called the letter, agrees to let another person, called the hirer, have the use or benefit of a property for a limited period of time and the hirer agrees to pay rent therefore.
Section 540 - The duration of a hire of immovable property cannot exceed thirty years. If it is made for a longer period, such period shall be reduced to thirty years. The aforesaid period may be renewed, but it must not exceed thirty years from the time of renewal.

All the law says is that a hire 'contract' cannot exceed 30 years, neither contracts do that :idea: , but 'spirit' of the letter of the law it surely breaks.

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PS: Yes, ofcourse I know I'm clutching at straws, but I'm bored.
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lets all keep our fingers crosed sj
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Someone posted it on another frorum. Just hearsay. Don't tell me that you were in Phuket and registered it by yourself SJ.

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I'm a bit thick loverboy but not daft enough to base something on a strangers posts. Believing something cos you like it won't help a jot if it does not actually happen. The solicitor (not HH) that checked it out with Phuket land office is having a colleague check out same in Hua Hin.

Personally I do not believe it will come to anything as I said in OP.

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Wake me when it happens....
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What will happen to the land and house owned by a farang after the 60 years lease end? Thanks for any information.
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That's the age old question Morts... since I don't think 30 years has passed here since the first 30 year (renewable) lease to a foreigner started here, the answer remains to be seen. My impression is that you better sell before your original lease runs out as what happens after that is pretty much up to the integrity of the lessor...
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hhfarang wrote:,,,the answer remains to be seen. My impression is that you better sell before your original lease runs out as what happens after that is pretty much up to the integrity of the lessor...
There is a law covering it, but if landowner refuses to pay any increase that may be due then it's off to court, at this point I personally would walk away .....


TITLE II - OWNERSHIP
CHAPTER I - ACQUISITION OF OWNERSHIP

Section 1310 - If a person has, in good faith, constructed a building upon another person's land, the owner of the land becomes the owner of the building, but he must pay the constructor for any increase of value accruing to the land by reason of the building.

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