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Bangkok Taxi Woes

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It's evident each time I visit Bangkok and take taxi's. Pete :cheers:

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Taxi industry deregulation has led to a free-for-all on the city's roads,

* Published: 27/03/2010 at 12:00 AM
* Newspaper section: News Bangkok Post

Tens of thousands of taxis roam the streets of Bangkok at any given time of the day or night.

They compete for the right to service passengers, which is good in that it offers more choice.

However, many observers believe that overall service standards have declined since deregulation of the industry ushered many more taxis onto city streets.

Before 1992 the number of cabs in Bangkok was capped at 13,500 vehicles for fear the streets would become too clogged.

Under this strict limitation, taxi registration plates were like gold, costing even more than the cars for anyone wanting to enter the business.

But as the city's population grew, the government came under pressure to lift the limit.

Since the industry was deregulated in 1992, the Land Transport Department has registered 80,000 taxis, of which 60,000 are constantly on the move to find passengers.

This free-for-all policy ended the problem of insufficient taxis, but in the process created new ones.

In the past the behaviour of drivers could be better kept in check by the department because there were fewer taxis and they tended to be more established. It's not the case today. The number of drivers and vehicles has grown far beyond the capability of the department to monitor them.

With it has brought crime and unethical practices of unmitigated proportions, obliterating reports of honest and professional drivers.

In addition to waves of complaints about poor service and driving standards, many passengers tell horror stories of rape and robbery, while murder and extortion of foreign tourists is not unknown.

Topping the list of complaints to the department's call centre is the refusal of drivers to accept a fare.

Chairat Sa-nguanchue, the department's director-general, concedes there are just too many taxis for the agency to control. "The liberalisation of the taxi policy was successful in the sense that it led to new services. But other problems have arisen. And that has put Thai taxis far below the standard of taxis in other countries like Singapore, Hong Kong and England," Mr Chairat says.

The new services include a requirement for fares to be charged by meter instead of the old practice when passengers had to bargain with the driver. A vehicle's lifespan is set at nine years to force old taxis off the roads. The regulations apply to the main yellow and green taxis driven by the owners as well as taxis of other colours run by small firms on a cooperative basis. Each cooperative has a different colour.

Qualified drivers are required to be at least 25 years old, possess a public transport driver's licence, learn the code of conduct and receive training on taxi driving skills. But many companies ignore the rules as they are desperate to find anyone who is available to drive their vehicles rather than leave them sitting idle and losing money in a garage.

The Siam Taxi Cooperative estimates that only half of all drivers are qualified. "Many owners do not ask for a licence and other information from those coming to rent their cars because they fear losing money," said Siam Taxi chairman Vitoon Naewpanitch, who drives as well as runs a taxi business.

One of the main problems is that many drivers will refuse a fare if the destination is clogged by traffic because they know the authorities will not go after them for breaking the rules, he said.

It is the duty of the department to make sure the rules are adhered to. Mr Chairat said officials are regularly sent to monitor firms and individual owners. But with a task force of just 80 officials, it is impossible to undertake thorough checks.

Taxi drivers who fail to meet the requirements are blacklisted and their cooperatives receive a warning before action is taken, including the most severe measure of a complete ban on its operations, he said.

When a crime is committed in a taxi, police from all units are required to help the department as its officials have no arrest authority. "This problem needs the cooperation of all agencies."

A new meter to be installed in taxis was launched this year and the department is hoping it will kill the practice of drivers using longer routes to pad out fares. The meter will issue a receipt with the fare, distance and time of the ride.

The department once floated the idea of installing a driver compartment in the taxis for the safety of passengers and drivers, but it faced strong opposition from taxi firms which did not want to invest more in their vehicles.

Mr Vitoon said the department alone cannot tackle the problem of ruthless drivers and poor service.

Jear Youtamnat, a veteran driver who was plying his trade before liberalisation policies were introduced, bemoaned the falling driving standards. "Part of the problem is they compete fiercely for passengers as there are too many taxis in Bangkok now," the 63-year-old said. "Unlike the old days, now there is no sympathy, even among drivers themselves," he said.
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Hi

question - you say in the post
"One of the main problems is that many drivers will refuse a fare if the destination is clogged by traffic because they know the authorities will not go after them for breaking the rules, he said."

i read this to mean that the taxi should ( used very lightly ) take you where to go and not just wave you out of the way and drive off. If they do does the mean that i can report them? :banghead: not that it would do any good but i may feel better. Had that a few times and never worked out why until i read this. a good bit of information here.

i never been on for taxi's even in the UK , unless i know the drivers , here i have 2 London cab drivers that live in the same street so i lucky when i need one they already here.

4 weeks to go until i need to find a taxi to get me from BKK to Hua Hin.
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Yes, but getting waved off asking to go from Bangkok to Hua Hin is a different matter than getting waved off for an intra-Bangkok trip. I don't know the rules concerning their right of refusal for long trips. Perhaps another forum member does?

Click the Bangkok Post link in the initial post and on the chart you'll see a number to report taxi problems. Pete :cheers:
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I don't know the rules for refusal in Bangkok Pete, but have certainly been refused trips in the past for 'out of Bangkok' journeys. Also been refused out of town trips from Pattaya - where licensing for inter Province travel was cited. The same may apply in Bangkok.
But I don't think we can compare Thailand taxis with those in the UK. Here we have to phone for private hire cabs. It is illegal for private hires to pick up a random fare in the street - so it's easy for a company to refuse a fare by making an excuse on the phone.
The UKs 'black cabs' have different licencing rules to the private hire, and can take fares off the street at designated taxi ranks, or can be flagged down. They are more expensive than private hire. The drivers are restricted to working within certain boundaries, and they can refuse fares with good cause - ie if a potential passenger is obnoxious or drunk.
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Key thing is to cultivate regulars

I have regular Motorbike, Tuk Tuk and Taxi drivers in HH, BKK and Khon Kaen

Once they realise you are not a tourist and you maybe a recipe for repeat business your on.

Even have 2 in Cambodia
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richard wrote:Key thing is to cultivate regulars

I have regular Motorbike, Tuk Tuk and Taxi drivers in HH, BKK and Khon Kaen

Once they realise you are not a tourist and you maybe a recipe for repeat business your on.

Even have 2 in Cambodia
Same anywhere I think Richard. Find a reliable taxi and stick with it.
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I think Bill Gates would even have a hard time trying to afford regular use of taxis in the UK...lol. In my opinion, taxis are so cheap in Thailand that one cannot really complain about much. Maybe I'm lucky but I've never had any problems in all the years I've been staying in Thailand.

It's quite simple really........before you get in, ask if they are using a meter. If yes, then no problem. If no, then agree on a price. What I have noticed though in Bangkok, is that meter taxis are now cheaper than Tuk-Tuks, even for Thais. I prefer a tuk-tuk as I feel safer in them than I do in a regular taxi, given that most Bangkok taxis attempt to break the sound barrier :shock: Anyway, my wife won't have it as she can't see why she should pay more for a tuk-tuk than she pays for a taxi.

Of course some taxi drivers will try their luck but most are okay. Sometimes you even get the odd one sing all the old Elvis songs :shock:

Once when I was having a beer in Khaosan Road I overheard a tuk-tuk driver quoting someone 800 baht from there to Patpong. The passenger was happy with that and so off they went. Of course the trip should only cost about 150 to 200 baht, but hey, we were all new to Thailand at some point, and besides, the chap who forked out that 800 baht probably felt it was a fair price considering the same journey would have cost about 150 pounds back in the UK.

Getting ripped off in Thailand is all part of the package, especially for new comers, and for those who never catch on and become street wise. Fortunately for them though, we're usually talking small amounts of money.

As far as waving you on is concerned...........IMO I can't really blame them. It's their car so they can decide if they wish to pick you up or not. They make more money from doing many short trips than they do spending hours caught up in traffic, so why I do understand the rules, I also understand how the drivers feel. Never been a problem for me because if one waves you on there's always another one close at hand. Anyway, if a driver was forced to take you, he could well end up in a foul mood, and of course that could have an impact on his driving.

The bottom line is; "mai pen rai", as the Thais always say. Just go with the flow and don't let such trivial matters upset you. :thumb:
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