Tenant fraud in Hua Hin

[rebook]

Hello together,
I would like here all before the [ Edited by Admin ]. I rented 1.5 years long a mansion in the Soi 116 in Hua with [ Edited by Admin ].
Now where I am taken off and the renting bail of 40' 000 Baht back to have, did not say this wanted which I the money any longer back gets.
The house must again be painted, the garden is not maintained been etc. the house wants it capers because of damages caused by water with the last rain time in the house inside developed again. Is this the thing of the tenant to look that house is close?
We in-rained them communicated it by the roof and them to have at that time the thing looked at ourselves and the roof sealed.
The garden care was thing of the gardner us by [ Edited by Admin ] was made available. Finally I must say, everything only to stolen and the 40'000 Baht I can probably forget. An attorney costs 10' 000 Baht the hour and this exceeds the demand of 40' 000 Baht very fast.
I can only say;
Finger away of the company [ Edited by Admin ].
Dearest greetings,
Günter

[margaretcarnes]

Do you mean Gunter that you have lost a 40,000 deposit? If so (and while waiting for a mod to clarify things) I'm afraid it is not unusual for this sort of thing to happen IMO, and not something which is limited to one particular landlord or company.

[MrPlum]

Have to agree Margaret. When asked for a deposit, I offer the minimum possible, or walk away, since I know it's never likely to be returned. I'm quite prepared to lose a deposit fairly but not unfairly and keeping deposits seems to be the norm here.

I'm not an expert on this so will happily defer to those who are but there can obviously be some areas of difficulty, where the build quality of some properties is poor. I've had toilets that won't stop flushing, shower rails that fall off the wall, doors and windows that warp and won't close, sink plugs that get stuck and won't come out, termite infestation, floor tiles in a car port that crack and break because the tile was poorly laid, pool pipes that suck in air, due to inferior glue being used, rubber perishing, terrace tiles moving and cracking in the heat, a sliding gate which is about to fall off its rusting runner, aircon units packing up, and more. Some of these I take care of myself because they are minor, others require negotiations with the landlord.

A properly written rental agreement should help remove areas of contention by specifying who is responsible for what. 'Wear and tear', which is what most of the above fall under, should already be built into the rent.

You can understand why a landlord would seek some security. Tenants can cause damage and try and sweep it under the carpet or dodge responsibility. Or even make their escape without informing the landlord.



Having said that, if you rent a property and the tenant does not look after it, the bills for the landlord could end up being sizable. I think it comes down to trust and the integrity of those involved.

As a landlord, I was always looking for a good tenant (NOT the Young Ones above!). Now, I'm a tenant, I'm always looking for a good landlord.

[Lev]

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[rebook]

Thank you for the protection of putrid eggs.
Thus who wants can the name of the company with me request.

[Super Joe]

OP,

Company it was owning that renting you too ? or individual putrid owner with company on managementing the putrid one's rental ?

JS

[crazy88]

Any list of reasons why the deposit was not returned? If nothing broken or missing then you should get it back. General wear and tear should be factored into the rental price but other than that "if you bend it you buy it"

Crazy 88

[Jim]

inkwo this will be unpoplar, but the landlord's perspective will be that the total rental for the period is the monthly plus the deposit. Having the big deposit is more likely to make your tenant respect the worth of the property. And I reckon 40k is about right for what it would take the remediate the average wear and tear over the course of a year. OK, so its an underhand way of doing things, but 40k extra over 18 months - so 2200 baht per month equivalent rent. Not a big deal.

[PeteC]

Another point is that any lease agreement worth it's salt should state if the deposit is refundable, minus any damage repairs. Normal wear and tear is usually not the lessees responsibility. If there is no lease agreement or it doesn't state anything about disposition of the deposit, just use it as the last month or two rent. I've done that several times here in the past and didn't get much of a complaint from the lessor. We did however make him whole on any damage, but not any NWT. Pete

[Lensta]

I have actually seen the pictures of the state of this villa (not mansion) after the tenant left and it was filthy. In my opinion he should not only lose his deposit but be sued for the extra money that it costs to fix everything. And one very important thing that the OP forgot to mention was that he broke the rental contract which means he automatically loses his security deposit because the owner is not only out of pocket because of the repairs but because his villa is now empty and not earning an income. It should also be noted that the owner of this villa has other villas that he has rented out over many years with no complaints from the tenants and some are returning customers year after year.

[redzonerocker]

having just come off reading the trolling thread, i end up reading this thread
a gripe with a property rental & another poster turning up to justify & defend the actions . . . . . & between them both, 3 posts

although it's not technically a troll.
is it really necessary? & are members really interested reading about it on the forum???

[pitsch]

Yes

[BaaBaa.]

are members really interested reading about it on the forum???

[redzonerocker]

Yes

really?
you must be really bored then pitsch

maybe you could pop round to the house in question, help with the clean up & repairs, the home owner will be happy & the OP will get his deposit back & everyone will live happily ever after

ps take baabaa with you, but don't let him get popcorn all over the carpet

[margaretcarnes]

having just come off reading the trolling thread, i end up reading this thread
a gripe with a property rental & another poster turning up to justify & defend the actions . . . . . & between them both, 3 posts

although it's not technically a troll.
is it really necessary? & are members really interested reading about it on the forum???

Maybe not so much interested in individual gripes - but the deposit situation overall in the LOS is worth bringing to the attention of new and potential expats. As with rental properties anywhere there are two sides to the coin, and any reasonable tenant should keep their property in good order as far as routine maintenance goes. It is, after all, their home. But as Mr P also points out - and I agree - pay a deposit there and don't expect to see it again. Factor it in to the average monthly rent, and if there is anything to come back at the end of the tenancy I'd view it as a bonus!