Thailand - A New Colour Revolution coming?

[MrPlum]

http://qwmagazine.co.uk/politics/thaila ... revolution

'What happens when the UK’s globalist nexus Chatham House, the US’s International Crisis Group (ICG) run by George Soros and Zbigniew Brzezinski, lawyers like Robert Amsterdam, and media giants like BBC, CNN, the Guardian, and the Economist get together to back street protests? Color revolution.

The country this time is Thailand. The organization is called the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD). The color, red.'

[cozza]

Mr Plum,

Though I have read articles by the CFR about this topic...that were more or less moving in the same direction as this article suggests, unless I missed something, there is not much in this article tying these names to the "crime".

Interesting article though...I will be in Thailand for March & April and am waiting to see what happens this year with demonstrations. Should be interesting...

[STEVE G]

Red shirt leader, globalist stooge Thaksin Shinawatra’s invitation by the US’s CSCE to “testify” on human rights and democracy in Thailand, was also extended to none other than the International Crisis Group (ICG). ICG has weighed in on Thailand before on behalf of their proxy Thaksin, and are now again involved in this latest public relations stunt.

I'm not sure who is the stooge of who in that equation.

[MrPlum]

Though I have read articles by the CFR about this topic...that were more or less moving in the same direction as this article suggests, unless I missed something, there is not much in this article tying these names to the "crime".

It's fair to say that you will always find commentators who see connections where none may exist but the colour revolutions and attempts to foment internal unrest, elsewhere in the world are fairly formulaic and Thailand followed that formula almost to the letter. Is this merely a coincidence?

[cozza]

Mr P,

Just like the part that you are quoting me says...I do believe that is a connection.

I always thought that the Yellows were first to form a group (yellow representing ......... out of allegiance to, not formerly backed by) and the Reds were a copy cat, obviously backed by Mr T (not the A Team) "some" saying they were anti establishment. Merely to settle scores.

In saying that though, there are surely chance coincidences...I have read some interesting books about some of the "types of business" that run rogue, top secret "missions"...all very interesting, how true they are is hard to say...lots of things just dont add up though

[caller]

Uh ok, the red movement is all part of a larger global plot excluding the current Thai hierarchy, as they are moving too slowly to achieve what the global plot wants.

Is that right?

[cozza]

Caller,

I am NOT saying that is so...just reiterating.

Can you think outside your square for 2 seconds before you claim you know all?

[caller]

Caller,

I am NOT saying that is so...just reiterating.

Can you think outside your square for 2 seconds before you claim you know all?

Cozza, I was referring to the article, not anything you wrote, and what I perceived it is stating! Simple as that.

At the end of the day there is zilch in there apart from the authors opinion and views. Fair enough, thats what he's getting paid for.

Why so touchy?

[MrPlum]

Thailand has experienced the tried and trusted globalist economic attack when 'Commercial bankers, central bankers, and an unscrupulous assortment of financiers and elected politicians were exposed for their collusion in the shady extensions of bank loans based on shoddy collateral, with the implicit acknowledgement of the Bank of Thailand (BOT). This nexus of cronyism and corruption rotted the Bangkok Bank of Commerce (BBC), a mid-sized commercial bank whose insolvency in mid-1996 under the Banharn Silapa-archa administration was the catalyst for a broader financial sector collapse and the subsequent balance-of-payments crisis that was capped by a forced devaluation in July 1997.'

Thailand was forced into corporate-friendly restructuring by the IMF.

Thaksin brought in the same people who caused the crisis into his own government and he said, when interviewed by TIME magazine in 2007. "Thailand has to be ready for globalization—you cannot turn your back on it."

Of course he is pro-globalization. He has enriched himself from it. The 'sufficiency economy' is insufficient for him.

Ties with known 'globalist' outfits don't do much to counter suggestions he's independent of them. In fact before being elected as prime minister, Thaksin was a member of Carlyle Group's Asian advisory board. Carlyle Group is the "world's largest private equity firm," Members being both Bush's and the Bin Laden family.



Are you so sure there's nothing to see here?

[caller]

Mr.P, does that response provide an answer to my question? Simple enough question I would have thought, not sure why it can't get a straight answer?

By the by, which members of the Bin Laden family? They are a rather large crowd and stonking rich.

[cozza]

Caller,

Sorry, I misunderstood your post...I agree that the article has very little substance on its own...wether its part of a larger conspiracy remains to be seen, but would not surprise me. Some of the names in that article...

The CFR have released some pretty biased articles, obviously in favour of removing the establishment. The articles and press would never go out and say things straight out, just read between the lines...they may have their own ideology.

[caller]

I always thought that the Yellows were first to form a group (yellow representing ......... out of allegiance to, not formerly backed by) and the Reds were a copy cat, obviously backed by Mr T (not the A Team) "some" saying they were anti establishment. Merely to settle scores.

Actually, this isn't strictly true. Those behind the reds are veteran campaigners and had the ideas and policies (30b health treatment and so on) that was initially rebuffed by Thaksin, but subsequently adopted, that ultimately helped sweep him to power in the first place. They may have become more visible after the yellows appeared, but they were always there. It was an unlikely alliance in many respects and I don't guess they were too thrilled with the more extreme of Toxins policies and actions, but it did bring change for many in thr north and north east (the article seems only to mention the NE?).

Of course, the coup changed everything.

And excuse my ignorance, but what is the CFR?

[cozza]

I know that some of the veterans in the UDD have been around for a while, but I thought the actual UDD was formed after the PAD...is this wrong?

CFR - Council on Foreign Relations

http://www.cfr.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on ... _Relations

[MrPlum]

Mr.P, does that response provide an answer to my question? Simple enough question I would have thought, not sure why it can't get a straight answer?

Relax. You have already said there is nothing of substance in the original report. I agree to a certain extent which is why the topic is posed as a question and not an assertion. So, me giving you a simple 'Yes' answer, is insufficient and I know what will follow from you. Therefore I first need to provide some substance by pointing to Thaksin's globalist connections.

And excuse my ignorance, but what is the CFR?

The CFR has been mentioned several times in different topics of this nature, giving you ample opportunity to investigate. That you don't know who they are drives a coach and horses through any claim you have to be an expert 'debunker of conspiracy theories'. This is Globalization 101.

By the by, which members of the Bin Laden family? They are a rather large crowd and stonking rich.

So what? It only takes one member to manage their investments and the company is hardly likely to admit to any significant investments by the Bin Laden's, after the events of 9-11. If they are stonking rich it is somewhat of a surprise to read that their investments were 'relatively minor'.

Let's stick to Thaksin, before we go down another tangent. He's a greedy crook as the Thai rural population well know but he's the only greedy crook that has 'helped' them, so he's a hero. You can see his embrace of 'globalization' as simple selfish greed, rather than any philosophical belief but that is how countries fall under globalist control. They identify the corruptible and enrich or coerce them. Ask Tony Blair or the Irish Finance Minister.

Thaksin's desire to return to power will see him and the world's power brokers working together for mutual benefit. Whether that extends to active participation in fomenting revolution is what is being discussed.

The reality is that Thailand has adopted much of the capitalist globalist policies and has benefited economically from it. The kids have all got their IPods and 7-11s but there is a nationalistic anti-globalization movement in Thailand that grew out of the 1997 crisis and that sees foreign influence in Thai affairs as predatory. Neutering the power of the Royals so that they just become figureheads is consistent with what has happened throughout the world as the financial-military-industrial-technocratic forces of 'neo-liberalism' have displaced centuries-old Royal dynasties.

It's why the red-yellow struggle fits the bigger picture and why corrupt dictators get to buy British football clubs.

[Super Joe]

Interesting subject, and found an excellent article along the way about the whole picture, but not happy to link to it here as it said a bit too much probably. Best summary I've read though, and a few things I not realise before.

The CT 'angle' is nonsense, produced & disseminated the usual way, a CT journo 'creates' a story despite the most obvious contradictions and distorting of facts, they're contributors to your PrisonPlanet's, GlobalResearch's, Rense's etc, then the celebrity CT's like Alex Jones & co then host the article without corrections. I think MrP has just reigned this one in a bit, credit where it's due, but the fact that the large websites happily accept articles like this one in the OP, shows them to be frauds deliberately misleading etc. And just check out how the op article journo changes the Economist's article praising Thaksin war on drugs, it's unbelievable, and gives you an insight into the material we're dealing with from these sites.


The main flaw with it all, is the repeated assertion about Thaksin being the ICG's 'globalist stooge', their 'proxy who they have 'weighed in for' before in Thailand, with their 'continued and persistent interest in this matter', and that like 'all engineered, globalist backed revolutions, it certainly is not about democracy, it's all 'about regime change in favor of a known globalist stooge'[/u] ... well, it certainly was about regime change last time they weighed in ON him, doing their level best to get him out. Irrespective of whether it had any impact, it's 100% relevant. And this is how you know Alex Jones and the author know it's a false story, because they mention the history but do not give one word of it, nothing from 300 pages of prime evidence establising a link, he he. Bellends.


The ICG supported the army/generals over him, and even the insurgents in the South over him, in report after report, that's not in their script as NWO cogs, going round the world destabilizing countries. Some of the reports....

ICG – Asia Reports April & May 2005
Since he first took office PM Thaksin Shinawatra hasn’t put a foot right handling the violence in Thailand’s South. By failing to address the underlying political issues, he is in danger of turning a small group of rebels into a mass insurgency. His inability to diagnose the problem has resulted in a series of inappropriate policy responses. Violence has been exacerbated by the disastrously heavy-handed policies of Thaksin

ICG – Asia Report November 2005
The emergency decree is no solution to the conflict that has claimed more than 1,000 lives since January 2004. It has deepened mistrust, worsened public discontent with the government's approach, and heightened the risk of human rights abuses. Shinawatra should take immediate steps to moderate the decree or risk plunging the area into worse violence.

ICG – Report September 2006
Coups are bad, but for Thailand this take over may be good... an opportunity to rethink policy on the insurgency that has claimed more than 1,750 lives. The deposed PM was part of the problem. By contrast, coup leader Gen. Sonthi has stressed the need for strategies to win hearts and minds.

ICG - Asia Report March 2007
The 2006 coup, despite its damage to democratic development, opened the way for improved management of the conflict in the South. PM Surayud Chulanont's interim government has overhauled some of its predecessor’s worst policies.


The reports are full of other stuff about alleged extra-judicial killings, human rights abuses, targetting of innocents on these blacklists, and all that kind of thing. This is exactly the same as that phoney Russo - Jones interview about Nick Rockefeller, caught out because of what they never discussed.

SJ