Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

General chat about life in the Land Of Smiles. Discuss expat life, relationship issues and all things generally Thailand and Asia related.
User avatar
Lung Per
Legend
Legend
Posts: 2190
Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 12:03 am

Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

Post by Lung Per »

Bangkok Post Sunday, January 23, 2011:

QUOTE:Dorothy, you're not in Kansas any more
Published: 23/01/2011 at 12:00 AM
Newspaper section: News

Recently someone sent me an article titled Xenophobia in Thailand on the Rise. The article, dated March 26, 2007, discusses the strict foreign business law and the growing disdain of foreigners among Thais.

One Thai banking executive was quoted as saying: ''We are getting a lot of weird retirees here. They can't survive in your country so they come here.''

A Thai accountant said: ''I've seen so many old farangs with young Thai women. These old farangs damage the reputation of Thailand; they turn Thailand into a land of prostitutes.''

More than three years have passed since these people were quoted. It's worth asking: Do a lot of Thai people still think that way? Of course we do. Is there racism in Thailand? Absolutely. Just like anywhere else in the world. We're not any more or less special - we're just not.

Does racism go both ways? Just take a glance through the Bangkok Post website's forum and you'll find plenty of foreigners, who hold Thailand and Thais in absolute contempt but refuse to leave (or keep coming back for visits) because the costs of living is cheap and so are the prostitutes, which far outweighs their contempt. That's not to mention the fact that complaining about where you live (and other cultures) is everyone's favourite pastime. Then there are those who simply hate for the sake of hatred.

I won't get into land ownership or foreign business laws; they're boring. Rather, let's scrutinise social attitudes and human nature, focusing on Westerners (retirees or otherwise) and Thais. (Because, face it, we don't have the same problem with Japanese, retirees or otherwise.)

Do we get a lot of ''weird retirees'' in Thailand? Of course we do - both those who can and those who can't survive in their own countries. Firstly, foreign is different. Different is weird. It's the nature of human perception. Secondly, retirees are weird the world over. But they are only ''weird'' because younger people find older people weird. Likewise, younger people are weird to older people. It's the age gap that makes the difference.

The only thing that makes Western retirees weirder than their Thai counterparts is the term ''foreign''.

I work with Westerners who look so old they ought to be retired _ and they are weird. But so am I, and by gad I love them! Even if at times in their senility (or in their rush to get to the pub) they forget to correct grammatical errors or misspellings while subediting my articles.

Does anyone ever look at an old farang and a young Thai woman couple and go, ''Aww, isn't that sweet?'' with hand on heart, head tilted, endearing-like, smile forming at the corners of the lips, mushy-like, eyes beaming in dreamy appreciation? No, of course not _ everyone goes ''Oooooh''. But again, people would have the same nauseous reaction to seeing an old Thai man with a young Thai girl. The only difference is the ''foreign'' bit.

Have old farangs turned Thailand into a land of prostitutes? Absolutely. And so have young farangs. But they have done so to a far lesser degree than old and young Thai men. Or Thai women themselves, who (whether as a lifestyle choice or an economic necessity) prostitute themselves. Or Thai parents, who sell their daughters to pay debts. It is what it is.

On the flip side, as I've mentioned, take a look at the Bangkok Post website's forum and you'll see anti-Thai racism, whether subtle or blatant. It's only natural. ''Thai this and Thai that, blah, blah, blah''.

Foreign residents (legal or otherwise) will always complain about their host country. Any Thai who has lived in the West will tell you that we complained while living there too. Why? Because people complain, it's in our nature - and we complain best when the object of our bitterness is foreign.

Thais living in the West gripe about the decadence, the hedonism, the violent society, the lack of respect for family values, etc. Westerners living in Thailand gripe about the two-face greng jai attitude, the shakedowns and the dual pricing, the corruption and the inef ficiency, etc. That's what people do - we groan with delusions of our self-righteousness; we wail in our inability to embrace the fact that we simply cannot shape and mould the world and all its creations into our hopelessly personal, and grossly biased, ideal vision; we moan because we are self-centred.

But at the end of the day, Thais in the West must deal with the fact that, hey, they chose to live in the liberal West, and must carry all the baggage that comes with it. Likewise, Westerners in Thailand must deal with the fact that chose to live (temporarily or otherwise) in developing Thailand, and take all the baggage that comes with it.

Two-face greng jai? It's just good manners, and it can be positive when done as a social nicety, or negative when done to hide lies and deceit. Shakedowns and dual pricing? The day we get rid of these is the day we get rid of ''expat'' salaries. Fair enough? Corruption and inefficiency? We don't like it either, but you're the one who moved from the first world to third world, silly; so don't look down on us - help us improve the situation.

None of this is meant as an excuse for anything. Racism is wrong, no matter how you look at it. But racism is also human nature and will be with us as long as there are such concepts as ''foreign'' and ''diversity''. So I would urge that it be viewed not through bitter self-righteousness, but rather using the understanding eye of humanity, with a bit of comedy thrown in for good measure.

Thailand is changing rapidly, and it can be overwhelming, especially to the everyday people walking the streets. Twenty years ago, the only Western faces we saw in Thailand were old and wrinkly, generally speaking. Today, Bangkok is a melting pot filled with people from all corners of the world, young and old.

If I went to a club 15 years ago, there were only dark-haired Thais. The only pale faces were those of the Thai-Chinese and those who used very good skin-whitening creams. Now if I go to a club - well, as I did just last night - it's like the United Nations. Whites, blacks, browns, yellows, we have got it all.

When I was a kid, there were four channels on TV and that was it. Now my TV has a French channel. Oui.

Thailand, well, let's say Bangkok (and to a much lesser extent Chiang Mai, Korat, etc) has become a melting pot, and it has come to a boil very fast, in just about 20 years. The Thai culture and psyche colliding with multiculturalism _ it can be daunting, overwhelming _ will take time to adjust too. Below the-high rises, behind the screenings at state-of-the-art movie theatres and in the basements of fancy shopping malls, this is still a very conservative and traditional society that has just met all the rapid changes head on. It can cause seizures at times.

I have witnessed bitter racism from both Thais and Westerners. All I have to say is: chill, calm down, it's not all bad; we are adjusting to each other. Don't be so self-righteous, don't be so negative and don't be so sensitive.

If an old Western man and a young Thai girl are together, it's nobody else's business. Just appreciate that they are happy together.

If a Westerner chooses to live here, there's something I always like to say: ''Dorothy, you're not in Kansas any more.'' Adapt a little. It's a developing world, understand a little.

For the overly sensitive, if someone calls you ''farang'', it's just the term that we use, our language. Don't get offended. There's no negative connotation to it, unless an expletive precedes it - so chill. There may be racism in Thailand, as there is anywhere else, but two things I will say. First, no matter how much we complain (Thais or foreigners), we love it here, otherwise we wouldn't be here - and out of love, we should want to change things for the better, together.

Second, criminals may rob you of your money here, as will happen anywhere else in the world. But unlike in the West, there is no skinhead racist gang stomping you into the ground simply because of the colour of your skin. Appreciate that.UNQUOTE

Words of wisdom. I couldn't agree more completely
:D :D
A friend is only one click away
User avatar
MrPlum
Banned
Banned
Posts: 4568
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:57 pm

Re: ALL EXPATS SHOULD READ THIS!

Post by MrPlum »

Lung Per wrote:Words of wisdom. I couldn't agree more completely
:D :D
Me too. Good post.
poosmate
Ace
Ace
Posts: 1033
Joined: Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:30 pm
Location: hua hin

Re: ALL EXPATS SHOULD READ THIS!

Post by poosmate »

unlike in the West, there is no skinhead racist gang stomping you into the ground simply because of the colour of your skin.
No need the authorities and their immigration policies and laws do it legally. :?
no more dePreston
Johan
Suspended
Suspended
Posts: 474
Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:12 pm

Re: ALL EXPATS SHOULD READ THIS!

Post by Johan »

Nice article.
cozza
Professional
Professional
Posts: 353
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:16 pm

Re: ALL EXPATS SHOULD READ THIS!

Post by cozza »

http://asianracism.blogspot.com/2007/03 ... -rise.html

This is the article that prompted the BP Opinion piece...
User avatar
pharvey
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 15851
Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:21 am
Location: Sir Fynwy - God's Country

Re: Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

Post by pharvey »

Interesting article - good read. :cheers:
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things" - Yma o Hyd.
Rider
Ace
Ace
Posts: 1169
Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:13 am
Location: Terra

Re: Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

Post by Rider »

Not bad, a little left of left with wool and tinted specs but the piece's heart's in the right place. :)
Thailand a 'United Nations'??
I think the article should be taken to read 'In Bangkok it's changed but elsewhere it's same same as usual'...
As someone once said to me, 'There are two sides to Thailand "Bangkok and the Rest of Thailand'" ;)
HAPPYGOLFER
Specialist
Specialist
Posts: 121
Joined: Mon May 17, 2010 8:10 pm

Re: Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

Post by HAPPYGOLFER »

Interesting article, but for me it,s not about racism im thailand, but it,s more about the human behavior, we are all like this, whether you come from England, France , Sweden or Thailand
User avatar
Lung Per
Legend
Legend
Posts: 2190
Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 12:03 am

Re: Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

Post by Lung Per »

HAPPYGOLFER wrote:Interesting article, but for me it,s not about racism im thailand, but it,s more about the human behavior, we are all like this, whether you come from England, France , Sweden or Thailand
The subject line originally read: "ALL EXPATS SHOULD READ THIS". It was apparently changed by a moderator.....
A friend is only one click away
User avatar
buksida
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 24133
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 12:25 pm
Location: south of sanity

Re: Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

Post by buksida »

Lung Per wrote: The subject line originally read: "ALL EXPATS SHOULD READ THIS". It was apparently changed by a moderator.....
Yes, the original was hardly descriptive of the content so we often change titles to make the board more readable.

Its not a bad article, I've noticed a lot more "farang oriented" opinion pieces and stories appearing in the Thai press, maybe they're taking more notice of farangs now since expats are rapidly multiplying in numbers here.
Who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed? - Hunter S Thompson
User avatar
Spitfire
Addict
Addict
Posts: 5248
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:17 pm
Location: Thailand

Re: Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

Post by Spitfire »

Sorry, deleted, went too far.
Resolve dissolves in alcohol
User avatar
redzonerocker
Rock Star
Rock Star
Posts: 4777
Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:55 pm
Location: England

Re: Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

Post by redzonerocker »

Spitfire wrote:Sorry, deleted, went too far.
:oops: . . . . .:lach: which way?? :shock:
Remember, no one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
User avatar
Spitfire
Addict
Addict
Posts: 5248
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:17 pm
Location: Thailand

Re: Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

Post by Spitfire »

:laugh: Fair play RZR, it was too much of a rant. :oops:
Resolve dissolves in alcohol
User avatar
Super Joe
Rock Star
Rock Star
Posts: 4929
Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:43 pm

Re: Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

Post by Super Joe »

If a Westerner chooses to live here, there's something I always like to say: ''Dorothy, you're not in Kansas anymore.'' Adapt a little. It's a developing world, understand a little.

We groan with delusions of our self-righteousness; we wail in our inability to embrace the fact that we simply cannot shape and mould the world and all its creations into our hopelessly personal, and grossly biased, ideal vision; we moan because we are self-centred.

Corruption and inefficiency? We don't like it either, but you're the one who moved from the first world to third world, silly.
:naughty: :naughty:

Think he was taking the pi$$ all the way through actually, but cleverly done, subtle and witty. In stark contrast to the transparent, bitterness you get on BP, and some of the other forums, from 'some' Brits and Yanks out there.

SJ
User avatar
Korkenzieher
Guru
Guru
Posts: 983
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:45 am
Location: Hua Hin.

Re: Racism in Thailand: All Expats Should Read This!

Post by Korkenzieher »

I'd go further actually SJ. It is very well written, but justifying your own failings by oblique references to those of others is a pretty thinly disguised way of saying 'that is the way it is, get over it'. You could use any yardstick - how about stoning women in Iran to start with - "Well, at least we aren't that bad... The simple fact that injustices happen around the world doesn't excuse them, and cherry picking those which give best support to your assertion of your own lack of culpability is intellectually pretty feeble, to my mind. "We all cheat; so do some of you; learn to live with it!"

In very general terms some of his points and targets are quite well made but they reflect an inequality of treatment within and by society that shouldn't be lightly brushed aside. To invoke the racist-bootboy-skinhead is a nice touch, but is it really any worse than, for example, an alleged officer of the law taking the life of a female tourist in the north some years back (see Andrew Drummond). Nobody expects better of the skinheads, and our societies work to remove that particular evil and others. It is more of a problem when those that would be servants of society in uniform, are widely seen as the most likely to be perpetrators of the crime.

Nice sentiments but largely a 'brush it under the carpet' job.
Had enough of the trolls. Going to sleep. I may be some time....
Post Reply