Life in Thailand Poll #1 (Thaksin)

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Would Thaksin's return to Thailand benefit the country?

Poll ended at Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:33 am

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No
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Total votes: 29

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Life in Thailand Poll #1 (Thaksin)

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There are so many things here that affect our daily lives, and the lives of our Thai families, I thought it would be interesting to start a weekly poll concerning issues that are important to us, and to Thailand, and what we really think and feel about them.

Of course it is open to everyone but my hope is that those in residence here, and/or those with significant experience with the country, will be the main participants. Those with Thai families, please get their input a well as it may differ greatly from what we think.

The only firm rule is no reference to the Monarchy, even if it is key to the issue, we'll just have to refrain from any comments please.

Each Friday or Saturday I'll consult back channel with the Mods and allow them to decide who has given the best input on the current topic. That person will be given the opportunity to post the next week's poll/question on Sunday.

Each poll will run for a month for continued comment/discussion, even after other new poll(s) have been initiated. Have fun! :thumb: Pete :cheers:
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Not sure how I should vote on this one Pete. I'm not a red supporter, but neither am I a yellow supporter. In fact, the yellows should be rounded up and tossed into the sea. On one hand, I could see Thaksin's return benefiting the country because he is clearly a very competent businessman and I think financially, the country could benefit from that. On the other hand, he was found guilty of certain crimes and was sentenced. if he comes back and doesn't serve his sentence, that only enforces the fact that some are above the law - hardly a move in the right direction if we're aiming for democracy. I'm also afraid his return would lead to more trouble and further division.

I also don't think the army have accepted the current situation to the extent they say they have. I think they are simply being patient, and when something happens which in any way gives them an excuse, they'll step in, and that in turn could lead to a very serious situation.

On good thing about all this is it's given me the push I needed to get my kids their second passports, and I'm currently getting them registered in my country, just in case things heat up too much here.


I guess only time will tell. :cheers:
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Not in the short term, if ever. But he will.

He is no more or less guilty than the others that went before him and many still in situ, but his return, now, would be the straw that breaks the camels back. Face dictates he stay away, for now.
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No, Thailand has had its biggest growth in 26 years or so, with out him. Simple.

On the other hand, a more personal issue. My daughter has just become a Thai citizen (she was born in Australia) so now she is dual. My wife tells me (dont know how she knows) that Thaksin wants to get rid of dual citizenship and that means my daughter MAY have to choose a country thus forfeiting any inherited land.

I think many Thai people do not like foreigners, especially those with power. I worry about underlying sentiment towards westerners on any other day, but when I hear about laws being made like this, I really wonder what is coming next.
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Takiap wrote: On one hand, I could see Thaksin's return benefiting the country because he is clearly a very competent businessman and I think financially, the country could benefit from that. On the other hand, he was found guilty of certain crimes and was sentenced......
I agree with the above and voted yes. He was removed from office through a coup while he was out of the country which was not the correct way of doing things, and cowardly IMO. He was tried and convicted in a very politically charged atmosphere which in itself casts doubts on the validity of the charges and the court rulings.

I think he should be allowed to return to appeal the charges against him, and remain a free man during the process. If given that opportunity, I think he would accept and abide by any final rulings.

However, things are stacked in his favour now after the election so it's impossible to determine if rulings would be unbiased. Pete :cheers:
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cozza wrote:No, Thailand has had its biggest growth in 26 years or so, with out him. Simple.

On the other hand, a more personal issue. My daughter has just become a Thai citizen (she was born in Australia) so now she is dual. My wife tells me (dont know how she knows) that Thaksin wants to get rid of dual citizenship and that means my daughter MAY have to choose a country thus forfeiting any inherited land.

I think many Thai people do not like foreigners, especially those with power. I worry about underlying sentiment towards westerners on any other day, but when I hear about laws being made like this, I really wonder what is coming next.
Er, he's not prime minister, his sister is not yet prime minister and you are truly worrying about something that has no basis in fact. But just in case, your daughter could renounce Australia, problem sorted.
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↑ My personal take is that if anything like that were to happen, there would be a grandfather clause of some type. I doubt they would swoop down on all those existing. Pete :cheers:
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I may be wrong here, but to the best of my knowledge, such a law already exists, but it only applies to a kid when they reach the age of 20 or perhaps 21.
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I haven't voted as i really don't know if there will be good or bad come out of it should he return.

In some ways he does have the business sense to get things done, but in other ways it would be like a red-rag to a bull (if you pardon the expression). Before he left in 2006, him and Sondhi were going at each other every weekend. The way he was ousted and convicted was not exactly the best way to do things, and if anything were similar to a witch-hunt...

Regardless of his return IMO we are going to be in for a rough ride, until both sides find common ground, they will scrap like kids in a school playground and destroy this beautiful country in the process. The majority of nationals here don't deserve that, but that is the way it is heading. This place had so much to offer a few years back but now they are pissing it away...
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Good idea on the weekly poll :thumb:

As for Toxin, well he has shown his true colours by selling off state assets, accrued by abuse of power during his tenure, to a foreign country and then refusing to pay tax. However if the 'majority' of Thai people (read: Issan) wants Thailand to be managed and owned by the Shinawatra family who are we to argue!
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prcscct wrote:He was removed from office through a coup while he was out of the country.....................
Yes he was, and as far as I know there was no threat to arrest him if had returned immediately, no court case against him, no withdrawal of his (diplomatic) Passport.

If he believed that he had done nothing wrong, why then did he not return immediately?

Throughout the history of Military Coups in Thailand, I am not aware of any political leader being shot on sight. There have been many that have gone into voluntary exile, (including an ex Army General), and several more that were permitted to retire in Thailand.
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I see a 'step by step' approach to his return and it's already started with them floating the idea of him becoming a trade ambassador for Thailand. After a while when PT have got things more squared away then they might go down the appeal court route to give it some thin veneer of legitimacy even if the outcome is a foregone conclusion as PT will appoint a sympathetic presiding judge to that court prior to its hearing.

He is still a very polarizing figure and is loved and hated in equal measure by many. His return may be inevitable at some point but it won't be yet. However, I do agree that the way he was deposed while out the country was cowardly and shabby. That's the problem with democracy, you have to put up with governments you don't like sometimes. It's called 'the rub'.

Although, a lot of what has transpired in the last 5 years has simply been a personality battle between Sondhi and Thaksin, who were friends once upon a time and fell out with each other, which has turned into one almighty pissing match that has cost Thailand dear. We should lament upon the vanity of two powerful megalomaniacs and the results.

The Democrats might raise bloody hell if he does come back, but that, along with the court issue can be circumnavigated if and when they need to after a bit of time. The real problem is the army and the deal they will have to cut to keep them happy and out of things which will probably be along the lines of that the army and a certain other prominent entity are to be left alone and allowed to do what they like.....period. Thaksin will make this deal if it gets him back into the country but it's one that he will have to honour as the army have already said they will not interfere so long as it and the other entity are not threatened.

Whether or not it will be good for Thailand depends on where Thailand wants to now go from here, even if they do the children's playgroung squabble thing for a while. It may ultimately be good for the business side/economy if he comes back as both he and his sister are competent CEO types, maybe no more fighting with Cambodia too, but as for social harmony and a few other things..........hmmmm, that remains to be seen and I'm not holding my breath about it.

I wonder if Thaksin will quieten down his dislike for foreigners since so many countries have helped him out with safe havens of refuge and passports etc over the last five years?

I haven't voted yet as I think it's to early to call the shot. I will reserve judgement for a while and see what direction the new government and things in general are heading.

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buksida wrote:Good idea on the weekly poll :thumb:

As for Toxin, well he has shown his true colours by selling off state assets, accrued by abuse of power during his tenure, to a foreign country and then refusing to pay tax. However if the 'majority' of Thai people (read: Issan) wants Thailand to be managed and owned by the Shinawatra family who are we to argue!
Not to be picky Buksida, but Issan contributed 100 seats ( if I recall correctly) to Pheu Thai's 265. The region doesn't even make up half of his support. :shock:
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Spitfire wrote: I wonder if Thaksin will quieten down his dislike for foreigners since so many countries have helped him out with safe havens of refuge and passports etc over the last five years?
Erm, I think we Brits should be hoping his memory is very short in that regard, Spitfire!
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Good thread and one that will make us all think a little deeper

I'm concerned though that the fervor for the return of Tox will create big waves

Already talked to a few Isaan bods I know around town and they are all eagerly awaiting his return.

IMO the best approach would be for Tox to back off and lie low pulling the strings without blowing trumpets but I'm afraid that is western logic creeping in.

Tox is viewed by my Isaan village friends to be a messiah. Certainly during his reign things improved in the village. Concrete roads, water towers, more stable electricity supplies and landlines (for those with a fat wallet, government, army or police connections) So he is perceived as a doer for the poor

Most of us know that that progress was a vote puller

As for us poor Brits if he returns who knows. I think I might apply for a Dubai passport
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