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Now I have normally always maintained that, if you have a problem in Thailand let your Thai wife deal with it. On our issue we can't agree on what the best route and actions we should take so advice and opinions wanted.

Almost four years ago when my stepson was 17 years old, he was sitting just down the next soi from our house on our motorbike just watching the world go by when three lads in their twenty's pulled up drunk on two motorbikes and started on my stepson. The noise and shouting soon alerted some of his friends and they came running out of a house to help, a full on brawl then ensued and my stepsons who a big lad for his age gave the main aggressor an absallute hiding, now in my opinion "good on him well done son i would have done the same" but the bit I would not condone is he stamped on his head.
The aggressor was taken to hospital with a brain bleed and his head swollen up the size of a football and he spent time in ICU then further time in a normal hospital bed but we are unsure of how long.

Now a few months past by and all parties got arrested, the Pui Yai Baan accompanied him to the police station he was interview and was made to sign a statement that he couldn't even read properly.
About another three months past by and all the othe lads where told no case to answer except for my stepson who was keeping a low profile was told he was going to be arrested. He moved to Bangkok to work on construction sites to scared to face the court and knowing their is a warrant for his arrest he was also being told by friends and family the police had been looking for him.

He has never been back to our village and January last year would only meet us in Bangkok he misses his family and friends very much, we have always had the opinion he will return when he is good and ready and not to be forced into it.
We had our usual couple of weeks at our house and thought nothing unusual everything is ok apart from him not being there.
Since then the pressure has started their is this policeman that is a real hell raiser, that my wife remembers "when he was a young boy of about eight years old aqused him of stealing a hand gun that had been left on the dashboard of a car and smacked him in the face so hard that he burst his lip open" and it was not even him it was a group of much older lads.
This policeman is now persuing us on behalf of the other family for compensation and medical bills although a fair amount of time has passed by and the aggressor has now made a full recovery.
We have two family members that are police and they are really unwilling to help us against Hellcop we also have had their big boss from Kap Choeng Police around our house when we had it blessed for the full party but we don't have a contact number of the police station, we don't know if Hellcop is even from our immediate area as he wasn't around for a number of years.

He has also failed to report for his national service ( as you have to do this in your own area) now I know from a personal friend and forum member the fine will go up daily so this is looking like an expensive holiday for us in the new year.

Now do we reach a settlement with the family or not the wife thinks we will have too but my opinion is no way, self defence and three drunk men got their just deserts. Yes he went to far but he is a lovely natured lad and wouldn't normally get involved in a fight.
If we get a lawyer involved we haven't got time on our side as we will only be in Thailand for 28 days so really can't agree on the best course of action although we are going to encourage him to report for national service not pay that fine and go in and do his two years service.

I will be damned that doing two jobs working bloody hard to save that I am going to be giving thousands of pounds away to the aggressors family and some bent cop makes my blood boil and it won't exactly make far a enjoyable family holiday.

Advice please as the corrupt side of Thailand I find hard to swallow as we are not talking 200 baht driving offences here :thumb:

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Without witnesses to the event it's going to cost you money in the long run. My x-wife's nephew went through the same but the result was deemed to be manslaughter as the aggressor died of his head injuries and her nephew did his time (20 years reduced to 10) in Khon Kaen jail.

Can't think of anyway out other than a brown envelope to the bad cop.

He could like many just disappear to anther part of Thailand
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Kendo

A couple of points to consider......

1. I would have thought that returning to his local area for National Service... they would probably know if there was / is an arrest warrant out for your stepson and hand him over to the police.....

2. If the Thai mentality of seeking revenge / saving face is as bad as some people make out..... He may well be better cutting his ties and simply vanishing and setting up a new life.....

The 1st thing I would do ..... Is seek out your Policeman friend.... Take him a nice bottle of whisky and have a good chat with him...... He might be able to smooth things over for you......

Its not much I know...... But hopefully it is food for thought for you....

Whatever way it goes...... Good luck.....

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If talking to your policeman friend does not help then perhaps talking to a lawyer and letting the aggressor know they will have to go through through the courts as you are prepared to fight it. Perhaps calling their bluff will make them think twice as it will not mean a quick payoff.

Difficult to say which is best but ultimately it will cost something.
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Now I have normally always maintained that, if you have a problem in Thailand let your Thai wife deal with it.
Now do we reach a settlement with the family or not the wife thinks we will have too
Kendo i feel for you and understand your reasoning

BUT for what it is worth i would stick with your good lady you dont want it to cause a rift in your relationship.
If he gets caught and ends up in the pokey because they will have witnesses that were not even there by this time.
Certainly do not let them take the piss but settle and get it over with as cheaply as possible.
Certainly get a policeman friend to do the negotiating.
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Sorry to hear about the problem. Hope all turns out well for you .
Kendo, do you think it wise to "name" him in the topic? Maybe ask the mods to delete his name, just for legal reasons. Also the fact he has not done his national service. It's not only forum members who read this, anyone can. Only just a thought.
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Siani wrote:Kendo, do you think it wise to "name" him in the topic? Maybe ask the mods to delete his name, just for legal reasons. Also the fact he has not done his national service. It's not only forum members who read this, anyone can. Only just a thought.
I think I've removed the name (please advise if I've missed one). I don't think the thread has lost it's meaning.
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I agree with Sand Dancer, talk to the senior cop you met. He may not make the problem go away, but could possible negotiate on your behalf.

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Can't help thinking any judge would look at the head injury and say, just as you have, he went too far. If two policemen are family members and they don't want to know, perhaps they have come to the same conclusion? Self-defence doesn't include grievous bodily harm. At least not in the eyes of the law. If you agree, is compensation that outrageous?
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Also, as I'm sure you are aware, justice crawls here. My wife's brother had a construction crew from Laos building a house in Issan for another Thai family. Near completion of the job, some of the Laos crew went home taking some power tools that belonged to the homeowner unbeknownst to my brother-in-law. Months later my brother-in-law was arrested in another province not even knowing there was a warrant sworn against him. He and my wife have been to court 3 times now in Bangkok and have offered to settle for the full price of the missing tools. The complaining family agreed to that and wanted to drop the charges, but the court would not let them and is proceeding with a trial. Next week is the final part of the trial and he will either be acquitted or go to jail for a year. It has cost us 100k in bail money to keep him out during this time which we should get back next week, but my wife and her brother have had to make all these trips to Bangkok when the people who filed the original complaint are satisfied and tried to withdraw. I think this is because the court thinks he ran from the arrest warrant when he wasn't even aware there was a problem. As far as he was concerned he'd finished the job and moved on to another one with a different crew in another province. Strange system of law they have here.

If you can get the hush money down to a reasonable level (which is still no guarantee as the judge may want to pursue the case anyway if it gets to court) I'd pay to make this go away or there will be months in court and possible years in jail in the end. Keep it out of the courts if possible, as if it gets there you are in for a long term mess. They will find him on the warrant sooner or later.
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Thanks for your comments so far, just to make a few points more clear the big boss Kap Choeng Cop isn't a friend he was invited to our house blessing by my wife's cousin who is a normal cop as a freebee come and enjoy. We only met him that night and he told us " you will never have a problem in my district" I take this comment with a pinch of salt as him and my wife's cousins where getting well loaded on Whisky.
We don't know if this big cop is still there or not never seen him again in the last five years and my wife's cousins one has a posting down in Bangkok and the other lives five houses up from ours but is refusing to get involved in any way his duties normal are standing in a local bank all day like a two bit security guard. I also don't trust him because his hobby is cock fighting he I invites me along with his cronies where a lot of money changes hands and they drink a lot of whisky, one i don't like cock fighting as I am a bit of an animal lover and two I don't really gamble.

Some things dont add up for us,
This other family live the other end of our village of around 1000 people why didn't they say anything to us before on our previous visits.

This Hellcop where has he been for many years and out of the blue is looking for our son we don't know if a warrant even exists just what he told other family members whilst searching and why is my wife's cousin refusing to have anything to do with it, is he in on a deal I wonder.

This lad that got injured is known as being very bad by everyone including the police he has also said he wants revenge so is he really that stupid when they are looking for money from us.

I think this is a bent cop trying to get tea money from us is their really a warrant we don't know, and one thing that really pisses me is no other family are interested in finding anything out for us but have all had good times on us with family parties a wedding and jobs when we built our house.

We are a lot less worried about his no show to do his army red ball black ball lottery as many kids go AWOL he will have to report and have no choice but to go in, it won't do him any harm anyway if he remains AWOL it will give him problems getting a job with his ID card in the future saying that he is now working in a shiny new factory in Bankok and is doing ok for himself.

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Sorry to hear this load of crap Ken, sounds like someone smells a "rich" falang. Can't offer too much help unfortunately other than chok dee mate.
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This Hellcop where has he been for many years and out of the blue is looking for our son we don't know if a warrant even exists just what he told other family members whilst searching and why is my wife's cousin refusing to have anything to do with it, is he in on a deal I wonder.
This is the crux of your immediate problem.......

Before you decide on any course of action....... Find out if there is..... Or is not a warrant out for his arrest

That will dictate your next action......

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Kendo

After reading all the responses and having lived in Isaan I smell a scam.

You are perceived to be a walking ATM to the village. Built a house and thrown parties so therefore you are rich. I know it makes sense to listen to your wife's advice but at the end of the day she will be thinking of family losing face.

I lived for a long period in my x-wife's village but was fortunate insomuch as the family constituted half the village. She had 15 brothers and sisters and the head man (He who MUST be obeyed) was family. The so called local police were family and spent most of the time drinking and gambling BUT they were all family. The so called local police disappeared if and when provincial police or BK police visited the village.

It seems to befall a lot of farangs who up sticks in cities and towns to live the real rural life. I note some forum members are about to do the same. One of the dangers in doing so is that you are soon at the mercy of the family and the village.

My advice would be to call their bluff by saying that your lawyer (whether you have one or not) needs a copy of the arrest warrant and copies of the hospital bills before he can proceed. If no paperwork is produced I think that your stepson should sign up.

Whatever Kenny, best of luck
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Kendo,

Two questions to which I would require answers to:

Firstly, at what age does your stepson assume responsibility for his behaviour?

Secondly, how would this be dealt with if you weren't around?
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