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Re: Single storey bungalows and villas

If you're not qualified to check the below, hire a professional, very cheap. There's no need to take any risks.

Ask to see architects drawings, detailing structural items.
Ask to see the local authority building permit.
Ask to see the individual land title plot for your house, ie: has the main Chanote been ‘cut’ yet, it takes two months so should be done before show house is even finished.
Actually read the conditions in the contract (I know I'm pushing you to the limit here :shock: ) Get a solicitor to check it over, ask for changes if your not happy with certain conditions.
Check the footing’s go down at least 1.5m through established earth (ie: not newly built up earth), with at least a 1.2m square concrete padstone under the footing.
How long has the infill earth been left before they started building ?
Check they’re using 12mm dia reinforcing steelwork in the underground beam system and above ground columns, and not a smaller size (some only use 9mm or 10mm).
Check the underground beam layout from the architects drawings to make sure that all walls are built off these beams and not off in-filled concrete.
Check they are using '3-phase electrics' (not western 3-phase before anyone picks me up on that) with their own dedicated transformer, tapping into the higher located 11kv supply, rather than the lower single phase cables the whole area shares, which goes down often or is insufficient in certain areas.
Check they are installing an underground concrete drainage system going out of the project to the local drains or stream/river.
Check they are using concrete lintels above doors and windows and not just building bricks off the wood frames.
Check they are using grade ‘A’ cement.
Check they are using fine sand (more expensive) for the rendered walls, no plastering here. Run your hand over my breasts, err I mean walls to see how lumpy/rough their rendering is.
Check they are using quality pool equipment, or the like, and not cheap Asian equipment.
Check they are using steel traps, flexible hoses, valves and fittings in the bathrooms, rather than plastic ones where the joints blow after about a year.
Check they are putting electric cables in conduits.
Check they are using the latest regulation 3-pin sockets and that they are grounding them to earth, ask to see the earth rods in the ground outside.
Look at the plasterboard ceilings and see if you can see the joints, you shouldn’t be able too if they are quality tradesmen and ‘skim’ properly.
Check the tiling to see if the tiles are even or if any corners are jutting out, just run your hand across them.
Look at the swimming pool water line against the tiles to see how good/straight their tiling is.
Do they use compacting machines to ‘pack’ the earth down ? If not forget it.
Check they put concrete access roads in.
If you want to know if they can build walls straight look at the cut tiles along a run of wall.
Never buy off a Spurs fan or someone whose always down the pub. Doh!

There's probably loads more, why don't the proffessionals in the business, like Jaime etc, add to the list.

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I don't know if all developers do this but you should push them to.

A computer generated spreadsheet with columns of TASK NAME, DURATION, START, FINISH, followed by the months/weeks up to the planned completion of the home.

Vertical row inclusive of STRUCTURE WORK with 15 sub categories. WET TRADE WORK with 8 sub categories and FINISHING WORK with 16 sub categories.

From this they draw a line graph which should look like a 45 degree angled line from top left to bottom right, bottom right being the projected hand over date.

It's easy then for you, or your designated agent, to simply blacken in with a pencil left (if early) or right (if late) on the original graph. Very good tool especially if you are not here that can be faxed or scanned and emailed to you to keep you right on top of progress. Tells you nothing about the work quality, but is good to understand progress. Pete :cheers:
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AKA fully logic-linked predecessor-successor 'bar chart' project plan using Primavera software (the best system), with all key milestones clearly indicated and manpower histograms showing number of tradesmen required each week.

Then updated with weekly progress percentages, target programme is time-analysed by the software to spew out a comparison to the baseline agreed programme.
Progress 'S' curves and 'total float' varience reports issued indicating slippage against activities and key milestones, revised manpower histograms showing additional manpower required to recover delays, together with developer's proposals to recover any delays.

Like it Pete, you're on the ball, trouble is they don't even implement this kind of project management system on some 30M USD projects in the UK, main contractors won't use it as it's a documented record of where they fu@#ed up.

Fat chance here, would be nice though. Trouble is the developers that are scared to turn a customer away cos they can't meet their required date will just fiddle their 'work load programme', showing your house fitting in nicely.
Best thing is to make sure the contract allows for at least 1,000 Baht a day delay payments, and add/plan two months to what they tell you.

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these charts & graphs may well look good on the computer screen & in the office. out on site it's a whole new ball game.
recovering delays to maintain targets, which often are unrealistic,usually end up with corners being cut & quantity replacing quality.
that is where the problems begin & why so many construction projects either fail to meet the required standards or go over budget.
thats only my opinion having worked for 30 years in the construction industry.

ps burger, your checklist is excellent but maybe for people with no construction knowledge, a bit to complex.

pps pete, nice idea, but progress charts & graphs won't stop your roof leaking or compensate you for shoddy workmanship.
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redzonerocker wrote:
these charts & graphs may well look good on the computer screen & in the office. out on site it's a whole new ball game.
Exactly mate, our bosses made us 'fiddle' them on the biggest engineering project in the world (at the time) the new Hong Kong airport, none of the top brass could spot the 'massaged' data.
ps burger, your checklist is excellent but maybe for people with no construction knowledge, a bit to complex.
Sure it is mate for someone not ever involved in construction, but you can hire an expert to check it all over for about 3,000 Baht a visit.
No-one does to my knowledge, but then complains later when they have problems.

A lot of that stuff is the difference between your house having major structural faults or not, well after the guarantee has ended.

Nobody buys a house back home without a house survey I don't think.

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no plastering here
errrm.... actually yes there is. Just only for those willing to pay the bit extra.
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GLCQuantum wrote:
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no plastering here

errrm.... actually yes there is. Just only for those willing to pay the bit extra.
Sorry my mistake, I was referring to 3-8M Baht houses.
What projects in Hua Hin have a plastered finish.

Can look a nightmare if their not top quality tradesmen, including 450 pound a day, British plasterers.

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Check they are using fine sand (more expensive) for the rendered walls, no plastering here.
errrm.... actually yes there is. Just only for those willing to pay the bit extra.
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I'm getting Deja Vu here :shock:

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To be completely honest I don't know any housing projects offering plaster wall finish. Only a few seperate houses that have been done.
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To be even more honest I know absolutely sod all about house building, developing, land prices, chanots....etc etc

All I know is it is possible to get plastering done in Hua Hin. :cheers:
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Burger,
great list. I'll wager that only a small minority of developers product could pass that quality test and the property agents would never use it to qualify homes because they would have little product to sell. Result:
the thread "where can you find the truth about property developments in HH. answer: you gotta be lucky, I know a case where a dissatisfied owner in a project actually recommended it to a prospective buyer because he got a kick back and wanted to see the project built out. :cuss:

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Hello Simon,

Not the real estate agents responsibility to me (although if they know a development is pony they should remove it from their listing, some do), but it's up to the person parting with their well earned savings to check things out.

Some projects offer all items listed above, some offer 90% (fair enough), some far far less.

You gotta check it out properly for yourselves, or you've only got yourselves to blame.

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Burger, really good post. all i can add is
check that they square the ground correctly, something not done here often. if its wrong the roof will not sit square.
make sure that after welding the roof joists they paint over the welds to stop any rust.
flashing used on the roof must be 1 meter wide.
check on the plans that the roof is vented.
if you have panels on the roof ( NOT TILES) check that they are not going to fix them by drilling through the panels. a clip is available here price 2.5 baht for internal fixing.
last and most important. never buy from a west ham fan.
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Post by Burger »

Nice one Mike,

Not a roofer by any chance ?

Maybe one of the lazy ar$ed mods on here will compile a list from everyone's posts.

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