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Discovered a cartoon site which has tickled my fancy (doesn't take much). Here's one which made me wonder what stage Thailand is at with regard to GM crops.

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Not very well it seems...
http://persianoad.wordpress.com/2008/01 ... -to-court/

My g/fs family grow corn and buy seed every year. I asked why don't you use your own seed? Answer. They need to guarantee germination. The company that supplies their corn seeds? Pioneer Hi-Bred (thailand). I checked who owns them. Du Pont. Is Du Pont involved in GM seeds? Absolutely. Does her family have any idea about the issues surrounding GM seeds? Not a clue.

I have been thinking about self-sufficiency and I do try and eat healthily buying only fresh organic foods. There's a high probability, based on the above and similar articles, that I've been eating GM produce without knowing it. GM is already in many supermarket foods.

Articles like these should have us all investigating and protesting, yet we do nothing.
http://www.naturalnews.com/023539.html
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Its extremely difficult to know what you are eating here. No matter how hard you try.

Your links are very interesting, and very worrying. Soon it will be impossible to eat non-GM!

I try my best to eat non-GM products, and to try to eat Organic were possible, but its so difficult in Thailand.

What about the Seafood landed in HH. do you know much about the heavy metals etc... contained in them?

Intersting topic.... maybe we can all learn aa little if we share what we know.
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What is wrong with GM food?
Some people worry too much.
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Here at Professor Sandman's Mad Science Laboratory we have been splicing and dicing genes for decades.....

Here is an example of our latest Project..... The Pigger

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We are marketing it as "Bacon with a Bite! Its Grrrrrrrrreat"

Prof Sandman's Mad Science Laboratory.....bringing you the products you dont even know you want yet!
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darwinian wrote:What is wrong with GM food?
Some people worry too much.
Did you read the links in the OP's post?
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personally i always get my food from the local market so i guess most of it is grown locally judging by the prices

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Winkie wrote: What about the Seafood landed in HH. do you know much about the heavy metals etc... contained in them?
All that I've heard Winkie over the years for all Thai waters is to stay away from the king mackerel. Apparently they continue to test out as 'loaded' with a lot of bad stuff.

Now, I know that a favorite in the Thai diet is that canned mackerel with the tomato/chili sauce. I don't know if they're the 'king' variety or other. The Thai's I've talked to dont' seem to know either. Regardless, doubt they would stop eating it. It also begs the question if the 'king' variety is contaminated, why not all other varieties of mackerel here? Pete :cheers:
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Great :roll:

So now we have mad pea disease and nothing from a supermarket can be trusted not to make you infertile .Too many polo mints and menthol cigarettes have been doing that for decades BTW .We could always catch/grow our own food in the untouched wilderness,if we could find it .Can't have a beer or a glass of wine with it though,not since we discovered polyvinyl polypyrrolidone .Much better for you than egg whites or fish bladders I'm sure :? Might as well have a double cheeseburger and knowingly control our culinary suicide .

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crazy88 wrote:......................and nothing from a supermarket can be trusted not to make you infertile
Infertility GM products. That's what we want. Brilliant idea. It will save mankind. In fact the only thing short of a Nuclear or extraterrestrial Holocaust is infertility.

Get the population down to sustainable 1 billion and slowly introduce organic foods again.

Can I buy canned infertility vegetables in Villa Market?
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Guess wrote

"Can I buy canned infertility vegetables in Villa Market?"

Green and gold can with 2 elephants headbutting either side of a tree on it .Doesn't curb the urge to breed but certainly reduces the ability .Take 4 cans 6 times per day and 8 before bedtime .

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darwinian wrote:What is wrong with GM food?
Some people worry too much.
Phew! I thought you meant me for a minute. :cheers:

Its true that for years we have had food scare after food scare yet I can still clear the pool table in one visit. As long as my liver and kidneys do their job I'm not going to worry. Life's for living. Right? My gut may be three parts whale blubber but as the Turks say... 'A man without a stomach is like a house without a porch.'

My family members don't worry. Hardly a family member left, who hasn't died at the hands of the mis-named 'healing' profession or who isn't on some kind of profitable drug regime. There isn't one of my neighbours, who isn't sick. They aren't worried at all. Heck. They party every night. Must do. I can hear them coughing up their lungs to the local karaoke beat.

Worry is definitely over-rated. Heck if you start worrying, you might be motivated to ask awkward questions. :shock:

Maybe those who worry are a little bit more sensitive to what's going on than others. They search for truth. A kind of 'I can't believe this', rabbit-in-the-headlights type fascination with each new shocking revelation.

I worry when I see the results of a search for 'covert genocide'. I have this daft idea that it's part of my survival mechanism.
http://www.whale.to/b/covert_q.html

'Knowingly control our culinary suicide'. There's the rub. Knowingly. How do people make informed choices when they are being misinformed?

The corporate-controlled media will only present what is in their interest to present. Cutting and pasting from encyclopedias, online or otherwise, as if it's the last word, is just more of the same 'authorised' hoodwinking. I'm sure that when the tobacco industry was telling everyone 'smoking doesn't cause cancer' it was in all the encyclopedias.

Give me a whistle-blower or 'rogue' doctor/academic/researcher site any day of the week. Sure there are some dodgy ones but it doesn't mean you smear them all just because they upset your cozy assumptions.

Is GM food part of some dastardly plot? Covert population control? Looking around I don't see much sign of it. 70 year olds still inseminating youngsters. Most of us don't need to be concerned with population reduction, anyway, since we are long past the stage of wanting more offspring. Besides. If there is a plot, it's only 'wogs', 'spiks', 'ragheads' and so on who are being culled. The white master race is fine, at least the ones with the Tomahawk missiles attached to their d*cks.

Some people worry too much? Tell it to these guys... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080728/ap_ ... an_suicide
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Oh Mr Plum - now I'm totally confused! You said in your OP that you try to eat organic whenever poss. Why? There have been tests done which seem to show no difference health wise between organic and non-organic diets. Only a huge difference in cost.
(No, I can't remember where I read it!)
However, I appreciate the GM concern, so just took a peek at your first link. Theres a conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories! For heavens sake -
'Several African nations have dubbed GM/GE foods as lethal, and believe the U.S is fulfilling a population reduction strategy in Africa'.

Coming from some pretty hungry people who would gladly eat the hind leg off a donkey thats a classic! :lach:
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margaretcarnes wrote:Oh Mr Plum - now I'm totally confused! You said in your OP that you try to eat organic whenever poss. Why? There have been tests done which seem to show no difference health wise between organic and non-organic diets. Only a huge difference in cost.
(No, I can't remember where I read it!)
However, I appreciate the GM concern, so just took a peek at your first link. Theres a conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories! For heavens sake -
'Several African nations have dubbed GM/GE foods as lethal, and believe the U.S is fulfilling a population reduction strategy in Africa'.

Coming from some pretty hungry people who would gladly eat the hind leg off a donkey thats a classic! :lach:

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tests, shmests. I don't believe a word the media say or the bogus 'science' being used to pull the wool over our eyes.

Every month a new spin on health and food. I love the 'genetic link to obesity' headline. Isn't it exactly what people want to hear? Now no-one has to do anything about it, it's genetic. Oh joy! Not only that but it lets the food companies off the hook for feeding us toxic 'shi*e' (forgive the crude expletive).

The Africa comments are shocking and there is nothing to suggest such a thing if you read articles like this... http://www.newscientist.com/popuparticle.ns?id=in35

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On the subject of organic vs non-organic, there is a huge amount of dodgy goings on. For example... manufacturers are allowed to use the word 'natural' on their packaging on the basis that the source ingredient was in fact 'natural'. No matter that they strip out all the nutrients, irradiate it, pump it full of growth hormone, appetite stimulants, preservatives, colourings, flavourings, antibiotics...

by the way.. did you know the word 'probiotics' means 'for life'. So what does 'antibiotics' mean?

... they will render it, coat it in refined sugar, refined salt, perhaps add hydrogenated wossname, a myriad of ways to change the food from 'natural' into 'glow in the dark'. Yet you still see in huge letters on the front of the packet 'Natural'. Factually accurate yet totally misleading.

Remember 'Nimble' the lighter bread? All they did was pump more air and use less ingredients and they charged extra for it, so I know exactly where you are coming from. People are totally seduced by packaging and labelling and false advertising into eating crap I wouldn't feed to pigs. It shows how marvellous the human body is that we survive this onslaught at all.

I don't want all this garbage in my body. I don't care how well the liver cleans it up. I'm not totally strung out over it since you don't get invited to parties if you refuse to eat or drink what's on offer. The body also needs some junk to build its defences.

I'm not sure hungry people would eat the hind leg off a donkey. After 2 or 3 days without food, the body no longer creates hunger pangs. Those who have fasted for any length of time will know this.

One might conclude a strategy of covert genocide is in operation in Africa. Why? Well, start with the rice that is shipped to Africa. It is polished rice. All the nutrients stripped out of it. So, the propaganda is... food is being donated... but in reality the food is useless. You can read more about this and other food industry deviousness here... http://www.whale.to/v/stitt_b.html

Coming back to GM foods more health issues raised. The cancer section is troubling... http://www.cqs.com/50harm.htm
If you can't be bothered to read it all, here's a snippet...

# In 1994, FDA approved Monsanto's rBGH, a genetically produced growth hormone, for injection into dairy cows – even though scientists warned the resulting increase of IGF-1, a potent chemical hormone, is linked to 400-500% higher risks of human breast, prostrate, and colon cancer. According to Dr. Samuel Epstein of the University of Chicago, it "induces the malignant transformation of human breast epithelial cells." Rat studies confirmed the suspicion and showed internal organ damage with rBGH ingestion. In fact, the FDA's own experiments indicated a spleen mass increase of 46% - a sign of developing leukemia. The contention was that the hormone was killed by pasteurization. But in research conducted by two Monsanto scientists, Ted Elasser and Brian McBride, only 19% of the hormone was destroyed despite boiling milk for 30 minutes when normal pasteurization is 30 seconds. Canada, the European Union, Australia and New Zealand have banned rBGR. The UN's Codex Alimentarius, an international health standards setting body, refused to certify rBGH as safe. Yet Monsanto continues to market this product in the US.

Correct me if I'm wrong but when the FDA and the manufacturer confirm the cancer-causing potential of this product, why is it still being marketed?

Are people knowingly being made ill, or is it simply that corporations will foist this stuff on the market and cross their fingers, knowing in the interim they will make a fast buck and get the legislators to give them protection against litigation. Seems like a no-brainer to me. How much money can they make in the 4 or 5 years it might take to get a product pulled?

I'll see if I can find any more on the Africa rejection.
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There is a whole bunch of stuff about Monsanto. Its gross what this company has got away with, and far worse, the way we have been led to beleive that its for the good of all of us.
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Good points Mr P. I'd read about the polished rice fiasco, and have been pleased to note that my Mum has given up Nimble!
But interestingly just saw an article today about the 'natural' ingredients thing. This was to do with cosmetics and toiletries, but a similar scenario ie only a tiny percentage of the product needs to be 'natural' to qualify for the labelling. Strangely such products banned by the FDA and some EU countries are still allowed in the UK. Makes interesting reading and will be summarised in my Sept page.
Nice to know though that you aren't one of those picky party eaters - a little of what you fancy! Moderation in all things except garlic and guinness is my ethos :wink:
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