Tenant fraud in Hua Hin

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margaretcarnes wrote:
Maybe not so much interested in individual gripes - but the deposit situation overall in the LOS is worth bringing to the attention of new and potential expats. As with rental properties anywhere there are two sides to the coin, and any reasonable tenant should keep their property in good order as far as routine maintenance goes. It is, after all, their home. But as Mr P also points out - and I agree - pay a deposit there and don't expect to see it again. Factor it in to the average monthly rent, and if there is anything to come back at the end of the tenancy I'd view it as a bonus!
a fair & balanced assessment mags :thumb:

i was more pointing out the negativity of someones first posting rather than the actual content. :cheers:
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Ah - gotcha!

BTW BaaBaa what the hell is your avatar doing? :offtopic:
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margaretcarnes wrote:
BTW BaaBaa what the hell is your avatar doing?
he's listening to one of baabaa's spice girls cd's :laugh: :laugh:
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margaretcarnes wrote:BTW BaaBaa what the hell is your avatar doing? :offtopic:
It's just Adolf getting down to some hiphop beats, pretty chilled guy by all accounts. Image
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Hello Lensta, I do not have notion like it to these information came. However this is a very large lies. The country house left by me in very good was entitled. For this I have also many witnesses. The whole renovation-work are the cause of the landlord. It and its workers destroyed this house. Once there was a large explosion as a new storage water heater was installed. The large hole in covers that through the explosion gave was only emergency-needily repaired. Another time we had the house under water because the roof were leaky. Its gardner should come 5x the week around water to give etc. it however only 2-3x came. And often only half of the work settled. The remainder had I make thereby the garden not completely decay. The lease was for 5 years and according to desire of the landlord annually was renewed. Thus I have to dissolve that quite the lease after one year. Without if and however. Now I think which it its country houses in the future no longer so simply letting can. Because its main agent " Thailand-Immobilien" with it stepped out. Evenly because the landlord is a cheat and a robber.
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Note:
The landlord of this country house is everything but likes.
Its unbelievable demands are complained of again and again of tenants.
This I take out of state the owner of Thailand-real estate.
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rebook wrote:Now I think which it its country houses in the future no longer so simply letting can.
Certainly worth bearing in mind.
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Something to look out for, I saw a friend's contract on a shop unit where the lease period was specified as 3 years, not registered at Land Office. But there was another clause that said if the owner wanted to sell the property at anytime during the 3 year lease, then they give 1 months notice (no stipulation like can't give the notice until after 12 months etc) and hirer has to move out after 1 month. Don't know if that's legal or whatever, but you could move in, spend loads of money turning it into a business, then be told to leave within a month!?!?

Extract from Thai law codes regarding renting property below:
Hire of Property
Chapter I
General provisions

Section 537. A hire of property is a contract whereby a person, called the letter, agrees to let another person, called the hirer, have the use or benefit of a for a limited period of time and the hirer agrees to pay rent therefore.

Section 538. A hire of immovable property is not enforceable by action unless there be some written evidence signed by the party liable. If the hire is for more than three years or for the life of the letter or hirer, it is enforceable only for three years unless it is made in writing and registered by the competent official.

Section 539. Costs of a contract of hire are borne by both parties equally.

Section 540. The duration of a hire of immovable property cannot exceed thirty years. If it is made for a longer period, such period shall be reduced to thirty years. The aforesaid period may be renewed, but it must not exceed thirty years from the time of renewal.

Section 541. Contract of hire may be made for the duration of the life of the letter or of the hirer

Section 542. When several persons claim the same movable property under different contracts of hire, the hirer who has first taken possession of the property by virtue of his contract shall be preferred.

Section 543. When several persons claim the same immovable property under different contracts of hire:

(1) If none of the contracts is required by law to be registered, the hirer who has first taken possession of the property by virtue of his contract shall be preferred.
(2) If all the contracts are required by law to be registered, the hirer whose contract was first registered shall be preferred.
(3) If there is a conflict between a contract which is required by law, and a contract which is not required by law, to be registered, the hirer whose contract has been registered shall be preferred, unless the other hirer has taken possession of the property by virtue of his contract before the date of registration.
Section 544. Unless otherwise provided by the contract of hire, a hirer cannot sublet or transfer his rights in the whole or part of the property hired to a third person.

Section 545. If the hirer rightfully sublets the property hired, the subhirer is directly liable to the letter. In such case a payment of rent made in advance by the subhirer to the hirer who sublets cannot be set up against the letter.
The provisions does not prevent the letter from exercising his rights against the hirer.


Chapter II
Duties and liabilities of the letter

Section 546. The letter is bound to deliver the property hired in a good state of repair.

Section 547. The letter is bound to reimburse to the hirer any necessary and reasonable expenses incurred by him for the preservation of the property hired, except expenses for ordinary maintenance and petty repairs

Section 548. In case of delivery of the property hired in a condition not suitable for the purpose for which it is let, the hirer may terminate the contract.

Section 549. The delivery of the property hired, the liability of the letter in case of defects and eviction and the effects of a non-liability clause are governed by the provisions of this Code concerning sale, mutatis mutandis.

Section 550. The letter is liable for any defects which arise during the continuance of the contract and he must make all the repairs which may become necessary, except those which are by law or custom to be done by the hirer.

Section 551. If the defect is not such as would deprive the hirer of the use and benefit of the property hired, and can be remedied by the letter, the hirer must first notify the letter to make it good. If the defect is not made good within a reasonable time, the hirer may terminate the contract provided the defect is serious enough to justify this course.


Chapter III
Duties and liabilities of the hirer

Section 552. The hirer cannot use the property hired for the purpose other than those which are ordinary and usual, or which have been provided in the contract.

Section 553. The hirer is bound to take as much care of the property hired as a person of ordinary prudence would take of his own property, and to do ordinary maintenance and petty repairs.

Section 554. If the hirer act contrary to the provision of Sections 552, 553 or contrary to the terms of the contract, the letter may notify the hirer to comply with such provisions or terms, and if the hirer fails to comply, the letter may terminate the contract.

Section 555. The hirer is bound to allow the letter or his agents to inspect the property hired at reasonable times.

Section 556. If the property hired requires urgent repairs during the continuance of the contract, and if the letter desires to do an act necessary for such repairs, the hirer cannot refuse permission to have such act done, though it may cause him inconvenience. However, if the repairs are of such nature as would take unreasonable length of time and thereby cause the property unsuitable for the purpose for which it is let, the hirer may terminate the contract.

Section 557. In any of the following cases:

•  If the property hired is in need of repairs by the letter, or
•  If a preventive measure is required for avoiding a danger, or
•  If a third person encroaches on the property hired or claims a right over it, the hirer shall forthwith inform the letter of occurrence, unless the letter already has knowledge of it

If the hirer fails to comply with this provision, he is liable to the letter for any injury resulting from the delay occasioned by such failure.

Section 558. The hirer may not make alterations in, or addition to, the property hired without the permission of the letter. If he does so without such permission, he must, on request of the letter, restore the property to its former condition, and he is liable to the letter for any loss or damage that may result from such alteration or addition

Section 559. If no time for payment of rent is fixed by the contract or by custom, the rent must be paid at the end of each period for which it is stipulated, that is to say: if a property is hired at so much per year, the rent is payable at the end of each year, if a property is hired at so much per month, the rent is payable at the end of each month.

Section 560. In case of non-payment of rent, the letter may terminate the contract. But, if the rent is payable at monthly or longer intervals, the letter must first notify the hirer that payment is required within a period not less than fifteen days.

Section 561. If no written description of the condition of the property hired has been made and signed by both parties, the hirer is presumed to have received the property in good state of repair and he must return the property in such condition at the termination or extinction of the contract, unless he can prove that it was out of repair at the time of delivery.

Section 562. The hirer is liable for any loss or damage caused to the property hired by his own fault or by the fault of persons living with him or being his subhirer. But he is not liable for loss or damage resulting from proper use.

Section 563. No action by the letter against the hirer in connection with the contract of hire can be entered later than six months after the return of the property hired.


Chapter IV
Extinction of Contract of Hire

Section 564. A contract of hire is extinguished at the end of the agreed period without notice.

Section 565. A hire of garden land is presumed to be made for one year.
A hire of paddy land is presumed to be made for the agricultural year.

Section 566. If no period is agreed upon or presumed, either party may terminate the contract of hire at the end of each period for the payment of rent, provided that notice of at least one rent period is given, but no more than two months notice need be given.

Section 567. If the whole of the property hired is lost, the contract is extinguished.

Section 568. If part only of the property hired is lost without the fault of the hirer, he may claim that the rent be reduced in portion to the part lost. If in such case the hirer cannot with the remaining part accomplish the purpose for which he entered the contract of hire, he may terminate.

Section 569. A contract of hire of immovable property is not extinguished by the transfer of ownership of the property hired.
The transferee is entitled to the rights and is subjected to the duties of the transferor towards the hirer.

Section 570. If, at the end of the agreed period, the hirer remains in possession of the property and the lessor knowing thereof does not object, the parties are deemed to have renewed the contract for an indefinite period.

Section 571. If a contract of hire of paddy land is terminated or extinguished after the hirer has planted the paddy, the hirer is entitled to remain in the possession till the harvest is finished, but he must pay rent.
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Re: Tenant fraud in Hua Hin

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rebook wrote:The lease was for 5 years and according to desire of the landlord annually was renewed.
rebook wrote:I rented 1.5 years long.
I wouldn't quite say it's crystal clear but ... it sounds like you either signed a 5 year lease (which automatically reverts to 3 years if not registered with the land department), or you signed 1 year leases annually.

So if you rented there for 1.5 years, it sounds like you left either halfway through a 3 year lease, or halfway through a 1 year lease.
Irrespective of which one it was, from this point onwards you will forever be known as the halfway man.

So a couple of things:
1) Did you have a clause allowing you to give notice and leave 6 months into the lease, if not he may have good reason!?
2) Can you write some more of that funny random stuff please ?

Good luck with it all,

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rebook wrote:the landlord is a cheat and a robber.
Mr Günter.
I happen to know the man in question very well.
In fact he's a friend of me.
If you continue to characterize the landlord in this way, we have no other choice than to close the thread and you should maybe prepare yourself for a lawsuit.

This man is not a cheater nor a robber!!
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The owner of the villa has asked me to post this reply for him as for some reason he is unable to log on to HHAD.

In reply to fraud Rent Deposit 40,000 Thai Bht.This Person did sign a Contract from 2009 until 2014 with rent review every 12 months. He gave 3 weeks notice of termination thus broke The Contract Period. He left the villa doors and windows open and nobody there to take care. We had to go to his new Villa to collect the keys no phone call to inform us he had vacated the property.The Pool Villa is a 10 million Thai Baht Property and kept in Pristine Condition (AS NEW). In short The Villa was left in a Very Bad Smelly State that's kind words you understand. In short it needed a mini Restoration and Fumigation.There were 70% of the light fitting not working, Fridge Freezer broken beyond repair, bed side light broken,ceiling fans caked with black Scum from smoking (Its A non smoking) property, the walls inside were very dirty need total re paint inside.The kitchen sink was used as a ash tray,we will renew the sink waste. A new Sofa as been ordered. We will have to vet future customers with great care and conduct a villa check every 2 months. We wish this person all the very best in his new Villa.The Owner of this once beautiful Villa.
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It is not difficult. simply enter into a written arrangement that all parties are happy with backed up with extensive photographs kept on a dvd in a signed and witnessed sealed envelope for reveiw at cessation of contract if using an agent they ARE responsible for facilitating this and any other services agreed between them, the landlord and the client..

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Something similar but not!!!!

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I was in S** Property looking for a place to rent. I specifically told the manager, you may know who he is, that first I needed internet connection. The rest can follow.
Well we found a cool little place. I had to leave the next day for business, and starting communicating by email.
We agreed on a price and I asked about internet. Oh, yes, they said, we can have it set up by the time you get back. I said, ok, which company and how much? Nothing.
After talking to Buksi here i recommended various companies for her to check.
They , in the meantime asked for 10K deposit to hold the property, no problem, I transferred the money. They sent contract, I signed. My mistake!
Then they come back to me and say TOT is only available company, and there is no line there, I have to pay 20K to get line to house.
I say no way, not going to improve the property for the owner, and owner said he will not pay for the line. So, I say fine, I will look for another property, I will pick up deposit when I return to your office May 1.
No way, deposit is non-refundable!!!! Owner will not give back!
You mean you give owner deposit before all conditions are met. No holding in separate account??? No!
So, it seems I am out 10K, even though I specifically asked for internet at a "normal" cost to me.
I don't begrudge the owner, S*** Property f%%%ed up.

What does every one think? Do I have grounds for something against S*** Property? I think so. The ad even said phone/internet available. Misleading!

They say there is nothing they can do, a contract is a contract!

Im not a rich guy, but hate giving my money away when it was no fault of my own. They dropped the ball.

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No property name / company please.
So Cal guy into a lot!
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hockeyrick - I think the moral of your story is to make sure you are around for as long as it takes to properly set up a contract, ensure the property is up to your specification, and get moved in.
I'm sorry but even in the UK I wouldn't pay a retainer and then go away, leaving things to chance that on my return all would be sorted and ready to move in. I know from personal experience the problems which can arise when leasing in Thailand, and you really can't afford to take your eye off the ball. But having said that, a rental/lease property anywhere belongs ultimately to the person who paid for the bricks and mortar.
I rent in England. If, for example, I wanted to install say a satellite dish, I would expect to have to pay for it myself, and need express permission from the landlord. If he said no - not on my property - end of story.
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