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dtaai-maai wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:22 am I've taken pharvey's selection and fiddled with it, as I could see mine wasn't going to be vastly different.
The captaincy is slightly complicated in that AWJ is not an automatic choice at lock [DON'T BE SO SURE!], and there are plenty of good options in that position.
I've gone with Farrell because I think he'll benefit from being outside Russell, and because he's such a handy bloke to have in the side for his kicking ability. [Temperamental to say the least and several options for kicking. Certainly not my choice for Captain or even 1st XV. Certainly in the squad]
Back row - an embarrassment of riches. Simmonds deserves it, but will his lack of international experience go against him? Will Vunipola even be in the squad? A bit of a lottery for those 3 spots.

[Fully agree on all counts - I'd love to see him at No. 8, but I suspect he'll be matchday squad/midweek player - Navidi has to be in the matchday 22 if not the XV.. then there's Tipuric et. al...... :roll: ]

15. Stuart Hogg (Scotland) - one of the few whose name must be inked in for the starting XV
14. Liam Williams (Wales)
13. Robbie Henshaw (Ireland)
12. Owen Farrell (England)..... Noooooooooooooo !!! :roll: :wink: I'm gunning for North/Henshaw....
11. Louis Rees-Zammit (Wales) - Okay, I'll give you that, but I'll be surprised if he's selected .... Agreed - with a hmfff! Then we have Josh Adams - class act, but a poor 6N
10. Finn Russell (Scotland) - Can't stand the bloke, but would like to see him play with a really good team behind him. ... I can see it, but I would give Sexton the nod with Murray at 9. Biggar still in with a big shout (and a bl**dy good kicker!! :neener: ).
9. Conor Murray (Ireland)
8. Sam Simmonds (England)
7. Tom Curry (England)
6. Tadhg Beirne (Ireland)
5. Alun Wyn Jones (Wales) - Captain - but may occasionally be an absent captain... Not absent from the tests!
4. Maro Itoje (England) - an absolute shoo-in, can't be left out .... Certainly in the squad, but I'd love to see Gray there.
3. Tadhg Furlong (Ireland)
2. Ken Owens (Wales)
1. Joe Marler (England) - Wynn Jones has to be thereabouts, so Marler had better be on top form. Marler has it over Wynn Jones in the scum/tight as much as I hate to admit it (and as much as I despise Marler). WJ on hard grounds in the open play though......
Ho Hum - May 6th will tell as far as the squad goes, who knows when the Test XV will be named!!

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pharvey wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:09 am
dtaai-maai wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:22 am The captaincy is slightly complicated in that AWJ is not an automatic choice at lock [DON'T BE SO SURE!], and there are plenty of good options in that position.
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5. Alun Wyn Jones (Wales) - Captain - but may occasionally be an absent captain... Not absent from the tests!
4. Maro Itoje (England) - an absolute shoo-in, can't be left out .... Certainly in the squad, but I'd love to see Gray there.
All of which sums up the problem perfectly. This is one of the most difficult selection decisions, but only because they're all good options. There are obviously 2 starting spots, and presumably just 1 replacement. Itoje usually plays all 80 minutes. Off the top of my head I'm not sure what the pre-test schedule is like, but assuming everyone is fit and well I reckon Gray will be the replacement for the first test. However, I have a sneaky suspicion that Gray/Itoje will be the starting pair by the final test.

Who has the TV rights?
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Well, I've answered my own questions.

Sky has the rights, which suits me ok, much as I'd like to see wider access.

Saturday 26th June - Japan - Edinburgh, Murrayfield Stadium
Saturday 3rd July 2021 - DHL Stormers - Cape Town, Cape Town Stadium
Wednesday 7th July 2021 - South Africa 'Invitational' - Port Elizabeth, Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium
Saturday 10th July 2021 - Cell C Sharks - Durban, Jonsson Kings Park
Wednesday 14th July 2021 - South Africa 'A' - Mbombela, formerly Nelspruit - Mbombela Stadium
Saturday 17th July 2021 - Vodacom Bulls - Pretoria, Loftus Versfeld
Saturday 24th July 2021 - South Africa - Johannesburg, FNB Stadium
Saturday 31st July 2021 - South Africa - Cape Town, Cape Town Stadium
Saturday 7th August 2021 - South Africa - Johannesburg, Emirates Airline Park

There are 5 games actually in SA before the 1st test, not including one against Japan in Edinburgh a week before departure. Japan as a warm-up for South Africa? :? I'm all for Japan having more top-level games, but I'm not sure how much use this one will be to either side.

Will 5 games be enough? Given the usual pattern of SA club sides simply trying to batter the Lions to death before the tests, it might be just as well there are only 5!

And this is where the long-term strategy comes in. There is no hiding place on a Lions tour, nor should there be, but I think we'll see a lot of very early replacements in the preparation games when the probably 1st XV players are starting.

It will be interesting to see how everyone involved, including refs, adapts to the modern concern for player welfare. Looking back at games from 20+ years ago, and even more recently, you can only shudder. I think the SA teams will test the boundaries early on, so refs will need to be on the ball. And Lions discipline will have to be tight - no more '99' calls! :laugh: :laugh:

Speaking of which:

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Not 100% sure those dates are set in stone or whether they'll play all the "non-test matches" - still plenty of ongoing discussions. All match tickets have been cancelled and will be re-issued if and when fans are able to attend and all matches confirmed.

I'll certainly be getting a Sky pass to cover the tests, but will likely rely on buffstreams for matches not covered.....

Thanks for the vids - I shall enjoy those a little later with a cold cider! :thumb:

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Well that's cr@ppy news!! Farrell - Henshaw it is then.....

"George North will need surgery after rupturing his ACL - ending his hopes of a third Lions tour.

The Wales back hobbled off during the Ospreys' Rainbow Cup victory over Cardiff Blues on Saturday."


https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... dium=email
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New Zealand Rugby backs plan to sell stake in All Blacks to US investors

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/21077 ... -investors

WELLINGTON: New Zealand Rugby backed a "revolutionary" plan to sell a stake in the All Blacks to US investors Thursday, ignoring opposition from top players who fear the deal will sully rugby's most storied team.

The NZR's provincial unions unanimously backed the deal with California-based Silver Lake Partners at its annual general meeting in Wellington, with chief executive Mark Robinson calling it a one-off chance to reset the cash-strapped body's finances.

"We believe it is an exciting and truly transformational opportunity that can benefit the entire game for generations to come," he said.

But the proposal faces a potential veto from the Rugby Players Association -- which represents the sport's elite talent -- some of whom believe the soul of their beloved All Blacks is being auctioned off.

Concerns around the deal have intensified in the wake of the European Super League fiasco, when Europe's top football clubs shelved a US-backed breakaway competition within days, after an outcry from fans and officials.

Under the deal, Silver Lake will pay $280 million for a 12.5 percent stake in New Zealand Rugby's commercial rights, and the right to negotiate merchandise and broadcast deals worldwide.

The focus for the Americans is the All Blacks, the three-time world champions recognised globally as rugby's most potent brand.

Robinson said the coronavirus pandemic hit NZR's already strained finances so hard that at one point the governing body's survival was at stake.

He told delegates from provincial unions "the future of the game is in your hands".

NZR chairman Brent Impey described the deal as "compelling" and said it represented "a revolutionary turning point for rugby".

"(It's) a unique opportunity for New Zealand Rugby to drive commercial revenues to... enable investment into the areas of most need," he said.

- 'Very clear message' -

Impey was disappointed at the opposition from the players' association, but said the vote showed the wider rugby community supported it.

"You have sent a very, very clear message," he said, adding that it would be a "terrible mistake" if the players' association scuttled the deal.

Impey said the money would be used to help struggling provincial unions, develop the women's game and increase youth participation.

He also said technology investments facilitated by the deal would give NZR the ability "to access millions of fans around the world".

He said there was no Plan B if the deal did not proceed.

The state of NZR's finances was underlined when results released at the annual meeting showed losses of more than US$25 million in 2020.

But critics point to the European Super League debacle as evidence that mega-rich foreign owners often chase cash and care little about a sport's tradition and culture.

Former NZR chief executive David Moffett has warned that Silver Lake, which boasts assets under management of US$79 billion, will squeeze all it can from the All Blacks brand.

He said that may involve the team playing "meaningless" exhibition matches in the United States to generate income from large crowds without providing a genuine sporting contest.

The players association has said it is concerned about appropriation of Maori and Pasifika culture, including the haka, and suggested alternative fund-raising methods to support the game.

All Blacks fans reacted angrily to a shirt sponsorship deal with US insurance giant AIG in 2012, flooding the team's Facebook page with comments accusing NZR of disrespecting a jersey that until then had been largely commercial-free.

But in contrast with the fury vented by football fans recently, Kiwi rugby supporters have been largely silent about the private equity proposal, seemingly content to let the players' union spearhead opposition.

Silver Lake, which started out as a technology investment vehicle, has moved into sport recently, taking a 10 percent stake 18 months ago in City Football Group, owners of English Premier League giants Manchester City.

City were among the "dirty dozen" European clubs that signed up for the Super League, only to pull out days later.

Silver Lake did not respond to a request for comment on the NZR deal.
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Six Nations 2022: Champions Wales begin campaign away to Ireland

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/56919444

Champions Wales will kick off the 2022 Six Nations away to Ireland on 5 February, with Scotland hosting England on the same day.

The Championship's opening round also sees France face Italy a day later.

The 2022 competition will see a return of Friday night games, as Wales host France on 11 March in round four.

The final round, dubbed Super Saturday, takes place on 19 March starting with Wales v Italy followed by Ireland v Scotland and France v England.

Kick-off times for the games have yet to be announced.

The 2021 Championship was played behind closed doors due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

"We look forward to next year's Championship with hopefully a return to normality when we can welcome fans back in stadia," Six Nations CEO Ben Morel said.

2022 Six Nations

Round One

Saturday, 5 February

Ireland v Wales

Scotland v England

Sunday, 6 February

France v Italy

Round Two

Saturday, 12 February

Wales v Scotland

France v Ireland

Sunday, 13 February

Round Three

Saturday, 26 February

Scotland v France

England v Wales

Sunday, 27 February

Ireland v Italy

Round Four

Friday, 11 March

Wales v France

Saturday, 12 March

Italy v Scotland

England v Ireland

Round Five

Saturday, 19 March

Wales v Italy

Ireland v Scotland

France v England
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Well, playing away against the Paddies and the Lillywhites is never easy and Les Bleus will be a massive task even at home - hopefully we'll have home support!!

What pi$$es me off is the Friday night games - Wales have been part in 8 out of the 9 Friday night games played in the 6N so far!! HQ, "Twickers" Rah, Rah Land state it's impossible for them to hold Friday night games due to "logistics" (yet they held a Friday night fixture during the RWC when financial rewards suited...).
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Well, a fairly shitty day as far as I'm concerned..... :roll: :cuss:

First match up - Toulouse vs Bordeaux

Was really looking forward to this one, but very disappointing - a few moments of brilliance, but all very much few and far in between.

Some good defense from Bordeaux as is their wont, but ultimately the two tries from Bordeaux stole the day..... I wouldn't bother watching a replay - the highlights will last a minute or so!! :roll: :roll:

Second match up - Bath vs Montpelier

I've been a Bath supporter for 40 years plus and have rarely been so pi$$ed off with the shite that I'm seeing!! :cuss: :banghead: :banghead:

Lineout shite, Defence Shite, Tactics shite..... some VERY serious questions need to be asked regarding coaching and captaincy (TBH Kick out the Welsh Lineout coach for starters .... who I backed :oops: )

The refereeing did not help, but certainly did not change the result. That said, feeding of the scrums and lineouts is a complete joke! Referee them properly or do away with them FFS! :cuss:

[EDIT] I will add, IMHO Bath's & England's Anthony Watson has nailed his place on the Lion's tour as No. 1 for Full Back (over Hogg & Williams) - cracking display in front of the Lions coach Gatland! :thumb:
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pharvey wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 4:10 am [EDIT] I will add, IMHO Bath's & England's Anthony Watson has nailed his place on the Lion's tour as No. 1 for Full Back (over Hogg & Williams) - cracking display in front of the Lions coach Gatland! :thumb:
Wow, really?? :shock:

That's quite a statement, Pietro, especially coming from you. Hogg has been consistently pretty special over the last couple of years, so I'll be watching this space with interest. (Most, if not all, of his England appearances have been on the wing, n'est-ce pas? I can't find any stats on that.)
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dtaai-maai wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 10:07 am
pharvey wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 4:10 am [EDIT] I will add, IMHO Bath's & England's Anthony Watson has nailed his place on the Lion's tour as No. 1 for Full Back (over Hogg & Williams) - cracking display in front of the Lions coach Gatland! :thumb:
Wow, really?? :shock:

That's quite a statement, Pietro, especially coming from you. Hogg has been consistently pretty special over the last couple of years, so I'll be watching this space with interest. (Most, if not all, of his England appearances have been on the wing, n'est-ce pas? I can't find any stats on that.)
Yes, probably getting ahead of myself on that one - I was just a smidgen disappointed and looking for a hint of a positive........ :oops:
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Talking of the Lions...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56959966
England scrum-half Ben Youngs has withdrawn from contention for the British and Irish Lions tour of South Africa because of family reasons.

Youngs was one of more than 50 players to receive an email from the Lions management last week, indicating he was under consideration for selection.

But the 31-year-old has made the decision to stay at home with his family this summer.
Well, Youngs has been a great player for England over the years, but I don't think this will keep Gatland up at nights. :laugh:
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pharvey wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 5:11 pm
dtaai-maai wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 10:07 am
pharvey wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 4:10 am [EDIT] I will add, IMHO Bath's & England's Anthony Watson has nailed his place on the Lion's tour as No. 1 for Full Back (over Hogg & Williams) - cracking display in front of the Lions coach Gatland! :thumb:
Wow, really?? :shock:

That's quite a statement, Pietro, especially coming from you. Hogg has been consistently pretty special over the last couple of years, so I'll be watching this space with interest. (Most, if not all, of his England appearances have been on the wing, n'est-ce pas? I can't find any stats on that.)
Yes, probably getting ahead of myself on that one - I was just a smidgen disappointed and looking for a hint of a positive........ :oops:
Whilst sounding off after a few glasses and being (as mentioned) only a smidgen "disappointed" with Bath and the coaching team, I may have put Anthony Watson on a bit of a pedestal .... That said however: -

Anthony Watson

"This guy will be one of the first names on the plane for South Africa.

On the evidence against Montpellier, he’ll be in the Test side.

He probably could have got away with an off-key performance against the French, so high was his stock even before Saturday evening, but his effort in front of Gatland surely sealed the deal.

It was a masterclass in nailing down a place.

Playing at full-back, Watson took a series of high balls which Montpellier insisted on kicking to him. He ran with pace and skill, using his quick feet to evade defenders. When he accelerates, he does so effortlessly, prompting a social media user to perceptively call him "an absolute Rolls Royce".

He was Bath’s classiest player on the night by some distance."
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dtaai-maai wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 7:03 pm Talking of the Lions...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56959966
England scrum-half Ben Youngs has withdrawn from contention for the British and Irish Lions tour of South Africa because of family reasons.

Youngs was one of more than 50 players to receive an email from the Lions management last week, indicating he was under consideration for selection.

But the 31-year-old has made the decision to stay at home with his family this summer.
Well, Youngs has been a great player for England over the years, but I don't think this will keep Gatland up at nights. :laugh:
Youngs still is a great player IMHO and I'm sure would have toured, but Murray has to be No.1 - class above quite frankly.

Pivac's mix & match selections for Wales will do the Welsh Scrum-halves no favours.....

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/57004215
British and Irish Lions: Wales great Alun Wyn Jones to captain squad

And while he is set to face stiff competition for a Test match place in the second row, Gatland has shown he is prepared to leave the tour captain out of the starting XV if required.

In 2017, skipper Sam Warburton was on the bench for the first Test against New Zealand with Peter O'Mahony the captain, before Warburton returned to lead the side in the second and third Tests.
AWJ it is then, playing or not. No complaints from me, certainly. It will be interesting to see who leads the team if/when he's not playing.
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