The link is about Sharia Law in Britain

[lomuamart]

I'm all for "tolerance", but if that extends to stoning and killing women because they look at another man, I think I'll have another view on life/death. And I do have.

[Big Boy]

Well its the difference between having a common law whore for a wife and getting stoned in public for being a whore.

Never the twain shall meet I'm afraid.

I'm just the messenger here, all I did was was bring it up for discussion.

I'm Ok to drop it.

Have you ever seen one? A stoning? In outlying areas of Pakistan or Afghanistan?
It's not very pretty.
So a whore is a woman who looks at another man? I tell you, I can't countenence it.
Don't know where you're from, Da. The one thing is that I certainly don't want to be there.

Now if you could say that you'd seen a stoning in Fulham High Street, then I'd agree that we'd lost a grip on our own country.

[lomuamart]

Na, Kennington Road.

[webmaster]

I think OP owner Da, is an US citizen, who makes similar claims as JWB, with ignorance in an illiterate way.

This cowboy (not Da), also got all the world in to more trouble just starting the Iraq war without understanding the culture of the region.

"Honour killing" is not only a Muslim culture, it happens in most of the uneducated parts of the world, Asia, Africa, Middle East , East Europe, but happens more in Muslim countries since they are one of the least educated.

As an example, in Turkey, you can get away with a smaller time if you kill someone and as long as your reason is "He's looked/smiled/winked at my wife" which is again a honour killing.

And yes, I have seen stoning of men and women for some other stupid reasons and I am against of anyone getting killed as a punishment, what ever the reason is.

On the other hand, you get developed countries like US accusing some other countries being inhumane for their justice system, and have a president who has signed more execution approvals (death penalty) than any other governor in recent US history. Or just send your boys around the world and pick-up some people and dump them in another country with no hesitation.

It's one thing to criticise a culture without understanding the real reasons of it and another thing to create a culture solely to sell guns to make some money out of it.

Bowling for Columbine, anyone?

[caller]

And again in fairness to the OP, Sharia law is practiced in the UK and has been documented as such, its not legal, but its what you will get when large immigrant groups living in isolation from the main community. Something the UK is now acknowledging, too late, it was wrong to allow to happen without any attempt of integration. The examples I am aware of usually relate to paying compensation to families for acts of violence committed against family members, when under UK law, they might have got a jail sent....sorry, I mean a slap on the wrist.

But the same applies with any large minority group, they will carry on the practices of wherever they come from. I've certainly witnessed "parallel" economies in parts of London that involve mortgage lending etc (and I'm not talking aboout the problems faced by Muslims in this respect and the rule about paying interest on debts).

Is it losing control? l don't know? But I would argue its the thin wedge....

[Mack111]

Globalization must be tolerant to everyone’s cultures or it simply wont work but I’m a big fan of the way John Howard handles immigration in general, which is a long the lines of yes promote your own culture but abide by the laws of the country or your out, he also makes people contribute to Ozzy society and economy before being allowed to feed of the government . There is no way possible that any country could operate FULL Sharia law and a normal western legal system, imagine cutting one guys hand off for stealing an apple and then other guy for the same crime gets a 10 pound fine, not very fair and I’m sure the muslims would covert out of Islam the minuet they were convicted of something.

As far as most Muslims being uneducated, partly true but think you will find that its the poor countries that in mass are more religious due to wanting / needing to be guided in life rather than Muslims in general, at the end of the day Christians is the fastest growing religion in the world and that due to the increase in Africa and South America poorer countries.

[redzonerocker]

this woman was strangled, put in a suitcase & buried in a garden a 100 miles away from her family home.
her crime was to end her abusive & violent arranged marriage because she met & fell in love with another man, therefore bringing shame on her family name.
her killers were her father & uncle who were tried & prosecuted for the crime of murder.where is this 'losing grip' notion coming from?
we do have far to many different nationals & cultures in the uk who don't want to live or adapt to the british way of life but instead set up their own communities whilst still benefitting from the spoils of british generosity.these should be shown the exit, no argument.
this kurdish community offered no help at all to the police enquiry into the murder which will not only isolate their own community but will damage further the whole process of multi cultural integration, if indeed it could possibly be damaged any further!
these practices from archaic laws maybe ok in other regions of the world but will certainly not be tolerated in the uk. murder is murder no matter what the reason or method is.
questions for the op,
are all women in your country that end their marriage/relationship or fall in love with another person whores?
do you have any first hand knowledge of life in the uk?
do your offhand comments come from a lack of knowledge or just from your general naivety?
topics like this are good for debate & discussion but there has to begin as a rational argument for it to become valid. to question us of losing our grip on the judgement of an article in the media is ridiculous.
these practices of sharia law are rare & extremely isolated. there are no public stonings, thieves don't have their hands chopped off & public hangings finished quite a while ago too. as for the future, if cases like this do happen again, they will be dealt with in the same civilised manner.
as for you feeling sorry for us brits? get over yourself.
we can take care of ourselves, no problem.

[Mack111]

that’s religion for you, if there is a god you think he would be wanting all the people to behave like this?? think anyone that is not mad knows the answer to that

i find it more sad that anyone in this world could kill there own family in such circumstances in the name of culture / religion or whatever, shocking and barbaric

[Jaime]

topics like this are good for debate & discussion but there has to begin as a rational argument for it to become valid.

to question us of losing our grip on the judgement of an article in the media is ridiculous.

there are no public stonings, thieves don't have their hands chopped off & public hangings finished quite a while ago too. as for the future, if cases like this do happen again, they will be dealt with in the same civilised manner.

as for you feeling sorry for us brits? get over yourself.
we can take care of ourselves, no problem.

RZR you have said it all - what a ridiculous OP. Only saving grace is that it's in Foo.

[Guess]

Now if you could say that you'd seen a stoning in Fulham High Street, then I'd agree that we'd lost a grip on our own country.

Well not since Milwall and Fulham were in the same division anyway.

As for the topic, people who do things like this in a foreign country are shooting themselves in the foot. The immigration control supporters and the nationalists and all elements in between must rub their hands in glee every time a story like this comes to light.

Additionally my understanding of the stateless Kurdish presence in the UK that they gained entry on humanitarian grounds when they were spurned by their neighbors and and were attacked with chemical weapons by Iraq before the first Gulf War.

The whole affair though makes me wonder what the British Police actually do for their money.

[mil_dos]

They hassle motorists