Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[Dannie Boy]

An electric KIA with super car performance:
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/kia ... irst-drive

£61595 only does 252 miles impractical before you search for a place to charge it then wait for hours for it to charge. Why do you want super car, performance nearly all roads have speed limits far below speed a super can do.
Electric cars could be useful for short journeys around town if you have a drive or a garage you can park it on to charge.
Finally 252 miles that is on the flat at a speed that does not use a lot of battery drive it at super car speed you would probably get 50 to 60 miles, this car is a total waste of time and money.

I wouldn’t go as far to say it’s a total waste of time and money, but would agree that there are more practical options available (in the UK not Thailand), but I guess that Steve was indicating that you can get super car performance for a lot less money than you’d have to pay for a “super car” like a Porsche Taycan at almost double the price.

When I win the lottery I might consider one!!

[lindosfan1]

Dannie boy wrote

When I win the lottery I might consider one!!

For lottery money I would buy a range rover does everything in luxury and you can still get a diesel or petrol one.
I cannot see the point of a car that does 120 mph or more, I have had 2 that did that but then I realised I was buying something that I could never drive to its full capacity. There is an idiot near where I live he has a Lamborghini I see him around town pulls up to traffic lights revs it to make a noise, then goes into Tescos looks a right prat.

[STEVE G]

An electric KIA with super car performance:
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/kia ... irst-drive

£61595 only does 252 miles impractical before you search for a place to charge it then wait for hours for it to charge. Why do you want super car, performance nearly all roads have speed limits far below speed a super can do.
Electric cars could be useful for short journeys around town if you have a drive or a garage you can park it on to charge.
Finally 252 miles that is on the flat at a speed that does not use a lot of battery drive it at super car speed you would probably get 50 to 60 miles, this car is a total waste of time and money.

I don't want one, it was just an article from Topgear.

[lindosfan1]

An electric KIA with super car performance:
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/kia ... irst-drive

£61595 only does 252 miles impractical before you search for a place to charge it then wait for hours for it to charge. Why do you want super car, performance nearly all roads have speed limits far below speed a super can do.
Electric cars could be useful for short journeys around town if you have a drive or a garage you can park it on to charge.
Finally 252 miles that is on the flat at a speed that does not use a lot of battery drive it at super car speed you would probably get 50 to 60 miles, this car is a total waste of time and money.

I don't want one, it was just an article from Topgear.

Sorry I did realise that whilst I used to like to gear, the current presenters are not any where as good as Clarkson, Hammond and May.

[Gregjam]

There seems to be a lot of progress with range on electric vehicles even when you put them into the real world but still concern over battery life and how green they are when it comes to recycling said battery plus of course the cost. At present for my own use the PHEV would probably be the best option as one would satisfy my usual needs toodling around Hua Hin only using electric but also not present a problem when trips to Chiang Mai occur.
Certainly of interest is the PHEV Haval. Of concern is that it is Chinese and how reliable, servicing, quality etc etc as I have not seen many reports on it which is partly because I currently have poor internet service (no youtube etc) and it being a new car to the market. My current Nissan Terra will not be going anytime soon but if prices make it sensible then perhaps a PHEV may replace it at some point. The Haval looks similar and would, if it meets needs, be a replacement. Does anyone have any practical experience with this car, even the normal one as I would not expect the PHEV version to be that different apart from the mechanical/electrical bits.
For those with electric vehicles in Thailand how much does the air con reduce the range. It is unusual not to have the air con on in the car and I am guessing that it would have a noticeable effect on the practical range of any EV.

[Dannie Boy]

I can only offer my experience of the MG PHEV, which I’ve had for almost 2 years. I only use the petrol engine if I’m on a long journey which doesn’t happen very often. I’m not a big mileage driver so it’s only done just over 9,000 km and most of those using the EV mode - just checked and it’s averaged 142 km/l for the number of journeys completed using the petrol engine and 18.1 kWh/100km for EV.

I always have the ac on and the only thing I can tell you is that when the 100% range indicated 67km I reckon it would achieve about 64-65 km (I never ran the battery to 0% but after 60 km it would have about 6-7% left). Obviously the warm weather in Thailand is a big help on range and I’m not the type of driver with my foot flat to the floor - I’m sure that would significantly reduce the range!!

[handdrummer]

How has your electricity bill been affected by charging your EV?

[Dannie Boy]

Not by any noticeable amount although it must be a few hundred baht extra per month, offset by going to the petrol station about once in 6 months - in fact the risk is that the petrol will go “stale” before it’s used!!

[KhunLA]

If interested in MG ZS or EP ... this is what one should expect. I drive in 'ECO' mode, not too heavy a foot, if not needing. Use cruise control as much as possible, if not in annoying traffic. Copy & paste I put elsewhere:

Here's about as real life I can get. Popped up to HH again, at Mazda to pick up daughters car, and did not leave AC on while at Mazda.

Google Map & MG ZS seem to agree, 234/235 kms, and about 20 mins at Mazda sounds about right. Hwy #4/Phetkasem & 37 most of the way. 90 kph when possible, then 60 or 70, if not in traffic.

Took scenic route home along the beaches, but still 60-70-90 was easy enough to maintain. Photo is self explanatory.

Exceeding WLTP rating of 320 kms per charge, consistently, at speeds much higher than their test speeds, w/AC, & 2 ppl/dog+

Second set of numbers (NEDC), was yesterday, my usually hop over to surfside. 25-50 kph, as actually on hwy 4, and the overpass to surf, but no real need to go speed limit, 60 kph, unless someone behind me.

That would be true knock around town numbers for us.
Again, beating NEDC rating of 403 kms per charge.

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[lindosfan1]

This is an extract from an article in the Daily fail about electric cars. Only the extract as the other bit of the article was about frozen door locks which can happen in many types of car.

Meanwhile, Modestino wasn't the only Tesla owner struggling with her vehicle during the Christmas holiday.

Domenick Nati, 44, Tesla owner in Virginia, was forced to cancel his Christmas plans with his son after his electric vehicle failed to charge during the winter storm.

Nati told Business Insider how he plugged his Tesla S into a supercharger in Lynchburg on Friday as temperatures hovered below 20 degrees Fahrenheit.

But as the hours went by, the percentage charge dipped as the temperature got lower, before the car stopped charging altogether.

He then tried again on Christmas Eve, but after a few hours of nothing happening, he decided to abandon his car at the lot and get a ride home.

Nati tried to charge his Tesla S at home, but had no luck there either.

So he went back out on Christmas Eve, and posted a video to TikTok of his efforts to get the car to charge.

Nati said he tried to contact Tesla for help, but did not receive an answer.

[handdrummer]

NanoFlowcell wants to sell electrolyte fuel-powered EVs in the U.S.
It set up its American headquarters in New York City

RONAN GLON
Dec 29th 2022 at 9:00AM

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NanoFlowcell, a London-based company working on bringing a new and innovative type of electric powertrain to the market, has set up its American headquarters in New York City. It also introduced a concept car that demonstrates the technology it's been working on for years.

While it's not a household name, NanoFlowcell has appeared in these pages before: it regularly traveled to the Geneva auto show in the 2010s to unveil a series of futuristic concepts. It hasn't said much in the past couple of years, and there's no longer a Geneva auto show to unveil concept cars at, but work on the electrolyte fuel-powered electric drivetrain continued behind the scenes. Executives hope that its American division will develop market-specific applications for the technology, and they ultimately plan to produce cars and fuel here.

Producing fuel is crucial because NanoFlowcell's concept cars and prototypes aren't regular EVs — they're notably not fitted with a battery pack. They're instead powered by an electrolyte fuel called Bi-Ion that uses seawater or wastewater as a base. Regardless of where it comes from, the water gets purified and becomes a fuel thanks to nano-structured Bi-Ion molecules. They're described as "charge carriers developed to portably store regenerative energy." The electricity that this liquid generates is what zaps the electric motors into motion.

On paper, the results are impressive: the Quantino 25 concept (pictured above) is a 2+2 roadster powered by four electric motors each rated at 80 horsepower. The company quotes a 0-62-mph time of 2.5 seconds and a maximum driving range of over 1,200 miles. Fuel is stored in a pair of 33-gallon tanks installed under the floor, a configuration said to improve handling by lowering the center of gravity. Visually, the design study looks like an evolution of the Quantino unveiled in 2015, though it's now fitted with what looks like a removable roof panel.

NanoFlowcell stresses that its American division has already started looking for ways to roll out Bi-Ion fuel here, but there's no word yet on when (or even if) a Bi-Ion-powered EV will be available. The company adds that it has already tested its technology for over 300,000 miles.

[Dannie Boy]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nanoflowcell

If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is!!

[hhinner]

Watching Sky News at the moment and just now there was a report about EVs. It seems that over 40% of all public charging points are in London and the South-East. It went on to show the horrendous queues at charging points on some motorways over the holiday period.

[STEVE G]

Toyota Hilux Revo BEV preview:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/12/toy ... -revo-bev/

[pharvey]

Toyota Hilux Revo BEV preview:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/12/toy ... -revo-bev/

Oh good God no!! It's "Grandfather" will be turning in it's grave (if it ever died)!!

To explain the latter comment, when working at NFC Rayong in 1997, I was provided with a Toyota Hilux for the duration (18 months or so). I and others I met during my stay tried our best to "kill" it (dreadful site conditions, hard driving etc.), but failed in the extreme - a true beast of a machine.

This "EV version" wouldn't come close IMO - and is an ugly wench to say the least!