Electric Vehicles (EV) Thread

[Dannie Boy]

In the UK no one wants an EV on the used car market. They are suffering catastrophic depreciation as a result. Just avoid them.

This will do second hand EV car prices no good at all - Tesla announce that they will introduce the Tesla 2 in the UK starting from about £25,000!!

https://www.whatcar.com/news/2025-tesla ... wed/n25636

[STEVE G]

Meanwhile, for anyone interested in buying an electric car in Thailand as opposed to not buying one in the UK, there is an MG4 Electric on display in Market Village today.

[caller]

So the EU passed their plans to be carbon zero in all cars by 2035. It appears the change, at Germany's behest, is that ICEs can remain as long as zero emissions are produced. So I guess the race is on for a synthetic petrol. It will be a game changer if that happens.

[Dannie Boy]

So the EU passed their plans to be carbon zero in all cars by 2035. It appears the change, at Germany's behest, is that ICEs can remain as long as zero emissions are produced. So I guess the race is on for a synthetic petrol. It will be a game changer if that happens.

They’ve been producing it for a number of years, but at the moment it’s prohibitively expensive - they’re hoping that commercial production would bring the price down, but I wouldn’t bet on it - here’s one of many articles on the subject
https://www.motorfinanceonline.com/news ... -up-a-car/

[Dannie Boy]

Meanwhile, for anyone interested in buying an electric car in Thailand as opposed to not buying one in the UK, there is an MG4 Electric on display in Market Village today.

It gets pretty good reviews from the UK motoring press - here’s one article
https://www.pocket-lint.com/mg4-ev-review/

[caller]

They’ve been producing it for a number of years, but at the moment it’s prohibitively expensive - they’re hoping that commercial production would bring the price down, but I wouldn’t bet on it - here’s one of many articles on the subject
https://www.motorfinanceonline.com/news ... -up-a-car/

Ah, okay, thanks for that. I wasn't aware.

That article does come across as very anti and a little out of date, albeit a recent article, as zero emissions only after 2035, for now at least. But the Germans and no doubt others producing synthetic fuels,now have some time now to get their act together.

[Dannie Boy]

Another interesting and slightly more optimistic view on E-fuels and how they fit with EV vehicles (motorcycles in particular) and even a link to the aviation sector!!

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-n ... on-engine/

[STEVE G]

Legacy auto faces disaster in China with unsellable cars as pollution crunch looms:



Potentially millions of petrol and diesel cars may about to become unsellable in China as the country implements new vehicle emissions standards, and as EV demand booms. With China already experiencing a car inventory crisis, the next three months could spell disaster for some legacy auto companies.

https://thedriven.io/2023/03/30/legacy- ... nch-looms/

[pharvey]

Legacy auto faces disaster in China with unsellable cars as pollution crunch looms:



Potentially millions of petrol and diesel cars may about to become unsellable in China as the country implements new vehicle emissions standards, and as EV demand booms. With China already experiencing a car inventory crisis, the next three months could spell disaster for some legacy auto companies.

https://thedriven.io/2023/03/30/legacy- ... nch-looms/

Well, IMHO absolutely cock all to do with what they are saying - Chinese Government or their Carmakers...... "The Truth Is Out There", may well be a message for a Sci-Fi fan like myself, but not with these guys. The lies from the Chinese regarding emissions etc. are quite something.
I worked extensively within the Power, Chemical, Mining industries, but our company trying to reduce pollution - the LHG was with me, but we seriously got shunned by the Chinese Government one way or another.. (for always guilty regards to the LHG).
Another British guy I knew was in the same city and was working for a UK car company - the horror stories he told me about Safety Testing (of Chinese vehicles), was quite incredible.

Be careful, be very careful..........

[STEVE G]

Legacy auto faces disaster in China with unsellable cars as pollution crunch looms:



Potentially millions of petrol and diesel cars may about to become unsellable in China as the country implements new vehicle emissions standards, and as EV demand booms. With China already experiencing a car inventory crisis, the next three months could spell disaster for some legacy auto companies.

https://thedriven.io/2023/03/30/legacy- ... nch-looms/

Well, IMHO absolutely cock all to do with what they are saying - Chinese Government or their Carmakers...... "The Truth Is Out There", may well be a message for a Sci-Fi fan like myself, but not with these guys. The lies from the Chinese regarding emissions etc. are quite something.
I worked extensively within the Power, Chemical, Mining industries, but our company trying to reduce pollution - the LHG was with me, but we seriously got shunned by the Chinese Government one way or another.. (for always guilty regards to the LHG).
Another British guy I knew was in the same city and was working for a UK car company - the horror stories he told me about Safety Testing (of Chinese vehicles), was quite incredible.

Be careful, be very careful..........

It's the West's resistance to EVs that's giving China's auto industry a unique chance to gain an advantage.
I'm no fan of the Chinese but the West is being so stupid on this issue that they deserve to go into the oblivion that they're inviting.

[Dannie Boy]

That won’t help consumers especially in the short term - if car companies go under they’ll be a shortage of vehicles worldwide and prices will increase. Blame whoever you like but it won’t help consumers!!

[pharvey]

It's the West's resistance to EVs that's giving China's auto industry a unique chance to gain an advantage.
I'm no fan of the Chinese but the West is being so stupid on this issue that they deserve to go into the oblivion that they're inviting.

No Steve, it's not - well not entirely. Been there and seen it for many years. Have seen copies of equipment never good - a danger to themselves and all, purely for money.

We need to move forward and sorry, but I say "We" as the West or well..... Neither Russia or China or their hangers on. "We, the West" have sold out - African nations and others included - anyone basically that has something to sell and something China needs... or rather wants to control.

Shite, what in my house isn't Chinese/Chinese made/Chinese "implants"? The LHG herself is way, way pi$$ed off.... Christ, I only recently boasted about mt Hisense TV.... Then, where are the materials from anything, from my car, my washing machine, my gutter............

Sorry -

[STEVE G]

It's the West's resistance to EVs that's giving China's auto industry a unique chance to gain an advantage.
I'm no fan of the Chinese but the West is being so stupid on this issue that they deserve to go into the oblivion that they're inviting.

No Steve, it's not - well not entirely. Been there and seen it for many years. Have seen copies of equipment never good - a danger to themselves and all, purely for money.

We need to move forward and sorry, but I say "We" as the West or well..... Neither Russia or China or their hangers on. "We, the West" have sold out - African nations and others included - anyone basically that has something to sell and something China needs... or rather wants to control.

Shite, what in my house isn't Chinese/Chinese made/Chinese "implants"? The LHG herself is way, way pi$$ed off.... Christ, I only recently boasted about mt Hisense TV.... Then, where are the materials from anything, from my car, my washing machine, my gutter............

Sorry -

Well we could try making better EVs than the Chinese instead of living in denial of where the future lies.

[pharvey]

Well we could try making better EVs than the Chinese instead of living in denial of where the future lies.

Do you believe they build better or cheaper? Sorry, but I'm the latter.

[Dannie Boy]

The truth of the matter is that China dominates the world in terms of battery production and have bought up vast amounts of raw materials from Africa and elsewhere. Maybe they had the foresight and financial clout to do so and now the West is left trailing.

As the learned pharvey has already said, in terms of quality China is hardly leading the world, but they are doing very well technology wise and of course they can undercut just about everyone.

Here’s an interesting article on the subject.
https://www.berylls.com/chinas-role-in- ... ry-supply/