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First i have heard of the Rottweillers story but that is tragic. However, drawing comparisons between that and the thread on here with the picture that some found offensive is both stupid and insulting, to the people who found the thread offensive and to the memories of the poor children who were mauled. These are totally separate issues and the only connection is dogs. This is an attempt, I believe, to slur the dog lovers who objected to that thread and this is not acceptable in my eyes, and I am writing here as an individual poster, not as a mod. However, as a mod, i am going into Mod mode from this point:
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Action has already been taken and accepted on the thread in question, so comments made on this thread are effectively questioning that action, which is specifically against the Terms and Conditions; everyone please refrain from referring to this matter from now on. The thread starter, richard, has also apologised on that thread, so should not be adding any more comment about it either. Can we please start to behave like adults and respect both the rules of this forum and others feelings, unless some of you don't want to be involved on this forum any more?
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Not entirely sure I can see the connection with the tasteless dog pic, WL, until you mentioned it? I certainly can't see anyone trying to take the mick out of dog lovers.
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dtaai-maai wrote:Not entirely sure I can see the connection with the tasteless dog pic, WL, until you mentioned it? I certainly can't see anyone trying to take the mick out of dog lovers.
I am a dog owner, lover, and love animals and nature in general, no offence here, a lot of these dogs you can't really regard as domestic pets and they do frighten me, if any past comments have touched a nerve with the mods or any other poster i wish to apologize with respect.
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WL - not entirely sure I see the connection there either. Seems to me that this thread HAS been progressing in an adult and sensible way, and voices some valid concerns on both dog welfare and human safety.

There is a difference between moderating and censorship. Maybe sometimes it's too fine a line.
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dtaai-maai wrote:Not entirely sure I can see the connection with the tasteless dog pic, WL, until you mentioned it? I certainly can't see anyone trying to take the mick out of dog lovers.
margaretcarnes wrote:WL - not entirely sure I see the connection there either. Seems to me that this thread HAS been progressing in an adult and sensible way, and voices some valid concerns on both dog welfare and human safety.

There is a difference between moderating and censorship. Maybe sometimes it's too fine a line.
dtaai-maai and mags,
I did not bring the other thread ('Christmas is coming') into this debate, sargeant did, and i quote
sargeant wrote:Quote my post previous to this one
Malnourished dogs are a threat especially to children I know one 3 year old now with a horrendous scar (which she will carry for the rest of her life) on her face from eating a chicken leg because a starving street dog took it and inflicted the scar at the same time. :cry:

No reply just a resounding silence :cry:

Quote Rabies thread Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:20 pm
One of my Tin Shack strays 5 year old that virtually lives at our house got bitten badly on the head by a tin shack dog :cry:
Sympathy compassion to said kid nil :cry: the closest was
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I smell a scam on the school's insurance. :twisted:

The night before last as the offended and enraged on the Christmas is coming thread reached their crescendo. :shock:
Thai TV were showing the dead body of a 20 month old girl savaged to death by the family PET Rotwieler :cry: (I hope no one was eating when they showed it and all kids were out of the room)
Yesterday MY Thai language newspapers were full of the same story I waited to see if anyone else on this forum would respond to it
nothing just a resounding silence :cry:

I am probably old and see things wrong but I just don’t understand why a cooked dog can cause so much offence and rage but these little kids get silence. :cry:
I just don’t understand where they come from but I pray to my god I don’t get that uncompassionate about kids

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Maybe you two missed that post and richard (the originator of the other thread) agreeing with him, but that is what i was warning about, and I hope that will be the end of that now. I agree the thread had been continuing in an adult way (and in fact had almost died until the above post by sarge) so there was no need for the connection to be made in the first place.
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No - I didn't miss Sarges' comments WL, but I didn't see them as out of context at all. Nor do I see this discussion as being confrontational to mods in any way, simply a discussion. Hence my comment that there is a fine line.
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mags,
What part of no discussion on the board of moderator actions don't you understand? This is not a democracy - any more of this and warnings followed by bannings start to happen. I am amazed that you of all people should go down this line. It is not censorship but there are rules in place to stop this sort of crap, so before any action has to be taken, please :offtopic:
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Wanderlust wrote: Maybe you two missed that post and richard (the originator of the other thread) agreeing with him, but that is what i was warning about, and I hope that will be the end of that now.
I missed it too, and have spent the last 30 minutes trying to figure out what the hell it all means. I should have worked backwards but did not. It is not so obvious from the sargeant post that he is thread cross referencing.

Now I know, I agree with WL and we are talking about two separate issues here with the only two things in common are dogs and humans in Thailand.

A final word, along with my sympathies for anybody who suffers an attack by any creature from human to mosquito, is that while animals and humans share this planet these attacks will continue. The most likely species to attack without apparent reason is a human.

Poisoning (or even stuffing them full of fish, sorry Gooze) is unacceptable. Only a human could come up with such a sick and cowardly method of assassination. Anybody who has any evidence of anybody doing this whether they be Thai, farang or Mohican, should report the evidence to the MIB (even though they seem to do nothing), and all the neighbors.

Buddhism teachings and human practices in Buddhist dominated areas have an impassable chasm between them so I think no benefit in discussing that area or going into the debate about whether or not dogs are eaten in Thailand.

Feral dogs, which we must remember are man created, will fill a void in the environment. The numbers per Sq KM are directly affected by the attitude of the people in that area and the amount of available food. So killing individuals or even packs will have no long term effect. I support neutering but accept that it is experimental and may well produce a canine class of misfits.

In Thailand there is, and always has been, an abundance of food. Also there is a general non aggressive acceptance to even the most revolting creatures of both species.

More dogs leads to more problems. Poisoning by the sick of mind, road traffic accidents caused by tossers who can not drive and disinterested owners and onlookers, attacks on motorbikes and spread of disease is bound to be greater in an area such as this.

Although, I think this is a worthwhile discussion and has been conducted in a civilized manner, I don't see anything that has been said that goes anyway to solving anything.

While houses are being built closer and closer together, providing more food and shelter for feral animals the problems associated will increase.

At the source end of the problem, which still goes on unabated today in Thailand, I think the government should look at policies around the world with a view of doing something about the control of the more aggressive breeds which will, for sure, end up in the feral population.
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Plain and Simple

If a dog is living on the street, minding it's own business, eating scraps out the bin....leave it the hell alone.

If a dog is living on the streets, is loud (during either day or night), is aggresive in any manner has ticks, fleas anything which could make you or your family sick....

KILL IT BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE

I've found fertiliser in meat to be quite an effective way of killing off the bad apples, and I'll bloody well do it again if there is any threat or disturbance to myself or family. Now all you 'Dog Lovers', I have 3 dogs in absolute tip top condition who have been loved their entire lives. One was brought with us from the UK, they won't bark for nothing, they aren't dangerous and they are part of the family. These pests on the roads are not of the same species.

If anyone would like effective ways of killing off the 'undesirable dogs' on the streets just 'google' it. This is certainly not a rant promoting the attack of ALL street dogs. Simply the PESTS.
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Poissoning Dogs
....what?

Do you mean hitting them with a big fish?

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I don’t know if anyone actually took any notice of the unfortunate story about the small girl getting killed by the two rotwiellers, but the household in question was actually owned by a farang.
A Dutch guy decided to buy three large dogs and stick them in a cage all day to protect his house whilst he was working away from home.
This should be a lesson to people who think buying large macho dogs is an answer to your security problems; I have adopted some Thai dogs and they provide all the security you need without endangering anybody.
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There are cases in the uk where children have been savaged by dog. A that is dominant in a household could attack it is down to the owner.
To put children in the same household as pit bulls rotweillers or dobermans unless the dogs are under continuous scrutiny the children are in danger. These dogs are bred for a working purpose.
Again it is the owners fault. There was a good programme in the UK about difficult dogs and how to deal with it. What did the programme do" IT TRAINED THE OWNER"
All of these dog problems are down to the sheer stupidity of humans.
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This thread is a mess and filing up with mumbo jumbo

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richard,
That is a very odd thing to say after two such sensible and meaningful posts on the matter; OK we have moved on from poisoning dogs to what happens if/when dogs are a menace and who is to blame but it is definitely not mumbo jumbo.

As a note to any future posters on this board who don't want to contribute anything further to a thread, there is no need to announce your departure from the thread, as your absence says it all.
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Have to confess I thought exactly the same when I saw that post - why do people have to announce their departure from a thread?
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