The Rugby Thread

[dtaai-maai]

Curious that it's only the losing teams that have done the citing. Those grapes sure must be sour!

Zero to do with the losing teams - it's an Independant Citing Commissioner and a mound of video evidence (not sure about the gouging incident though).

Are you suggesting that the national RFUs never give the Citing Commissioner a 'helping hand' with a bit of video evidence?

As I understand it, the citing system is to ensure that foul play that would have led to a yellow or red card that goes unseen and unpunished by the ref is dealt with after the match. So Tuilagi's tackle, for example, wouldn't meet the citing criteria. And what about Marler's manipulation of Jones' tackle? This was clearly not some malicious attack intended to disable or cause pain, it was nothing more than a bad joke or, at worst, a wind-up. If the ref had seen it, would he have taken action? I would suggest a strong word and a finger-wagging would have been the likeliest outcome. certainly not a red card.

[pharvey]

So the Welsh and French were angels throughout? We both know that didn't happen.

No, we just don't make it so painfully obvious - aside from the French prop lamping the Scot.

Be fair, I think it's harsh on Marler, but he somewhat deserves things simply for being an idiot. Regardless from any complaints by AWJ, he would have been cited..... As has Lawes and Tuigalalli.

On Lawes can't really comment, but certainly something untoward due the reaction of the crowd and the players, so will be interesting to see what happens.

Tuigallali - it was a sending off and that why he has been cited plain and simple. There was no mitigating circumstances (i.e. North dropping in the tackle) as Tuigalalli made no attempt to use his arms and made contact with the head - I'll see if I can find the video. Pundits and ref's agree with the sending off, as I do - however I hope he does not get a heavy ban (I personally believe he fully intended going in with the shoulder (it's his style) but didn't intend making contact with the head). His past record does not work in his favour though.

As for the French prop, well a heavy ban is deserved and should be given.

[Big Boy]

Tuigallali - it was a sending off and that why he has been cited plain and simple. There was no mitigating circumstances (i.e. North dropping in the tackle) as Tuigalalli made no attempt to use his arms and made contact with the head - I'll see if I can find the video. Pundits and ref's agree with the sending off, as I do - however I hope he does not get a heavy ban (I personally believe he fully intended going in with the shoulder (it's his style) but didn't intend making contact with the head). His past record does not work in his favour though.

He's a big guy and was committed. Accidental - however, I've no problem with the red card, but IMHO that was punishment enough.

[pharvey]

However, I've no problem with the red card, but IMHO that was punishment enough.

Pi$$es me off a bit that he went in with the shoulder, BUT this is rugby and I'm also sure contact with the head was accidental. I'd therefore agree that the red card is punishment enough, but I'm sure he'll get some kind of a ban. I can't remember any player being cited after a red card getting nothing. Hope at least they see some sense and only give the minimum (it certainly won't be reduced for previous good behaviour)!!

[pharvey]

Are you suggesting that the national RFUs never give the Citing Commissioner a 'helping hand' with a bit of video evidence?

I strongly suspect it does go on in some instances, but certainly hope not in the case of the AWJ "tackle" - his comments at the post-match are a bit of an embarrassment at best and I would hope that's where it ended with regards to the WRU.

As I understand it, the citing system is to ensure that foul play that would have led to a yellow or red card that goes unseen and unpunished by the ref is dealt with after the match. So Tuilagi's tackle, for example, wouldn't meet the citing criteria. And what about Marler's manipulation of Jones' tackle? This was clearly not some malicious attack intended to disable or cause pain, it was nothing more than a bad joke or, at worst, a wind-up. If the ref had seen it, would he have taken action? I would suggest a strong word and a finger-wagging would have been the likeliest outcome. certainly not a red card.

Not strictly true as any red (or at times yellow) carded player is "cited" to appear before a committee to determine what further punishment (i.e. ban) is warranted (if any). As mentioned above, it will result in a ban of some sort for Tuigalilli, I'm sure.

As for the AWJ "incident", I think the majority of people feel the same - Marler is a complete idiot and was either showboating/winding up. I suspect he wanted a reaction from AWJ ON THE PITCH, however the days of giving players a "slap" for that kind of thing are long gone although Marler has deserved one on many occasion. Again, I (as others) think the post-match reaction was poor, and a lengthy ban for Marler will not be received well by the rugby fraternity and indeed many Welsh fans.

[EDIT] Strictly speaking, under the laws of the game this would have been a clear yellow card. Had he actually seen it, the ref or other judges seen it, the ref would have been in a difficult position.

[dtaai-maai]

Tuigalilli

[pharvey]

Tuigalilli

Hey, I'm Welsh.

[dtaai-maai]

Still on the subject of the Marler 'interference', and without wanting to appear obsessive on the subject, in the dim and distant days when I played, I seem to recall wearing a jock strap under my shorts (probably the same one that housed the box when playing cricket) and/or a pair of snug swimming trunks. These days I'm guessing it's a pair of lycra shorts under the main shorts.

My point is that whatever is worn, everything inside one's shorts is likely to be good and snug; there's nothing swinging around waiting to be grabbed by an over-friendly opponent.

(I'll be going to bed shortly, and I'm rather hoping I can leave this issue on the other side of the closed door...)

[Lost]

I must say, for a bunch of supposed rugger fans, you ain't half been bitching about proceedings for 2 pages...

Thought we were in the Premier League thread for a while.

"He did this to him. He said that to them'".

Thought Rugby was a sport minus the handbags.

[pharvey]

I must say, for a bunch of supposed rugger fans, you ain't half been bitching about proceedings for 2 pages...

Thought we were in the Premier League thread for a while.

"He did this to him. He said that to them'".

Thought Rugby was a sport minus the handbags.

Don't start Spud...... You have no idea what I carry in my handbag.

[Lost]

I must say, for a bunch of supposed rugger fans, you ain't half been bitching about proceedings for 2 pages...

Thought we were in the Premier League thread for a while.

"He did this to him. He said that to them'".

Thought Rugby was a sport minus the handbags.

Don't start Spud...... You have no idea what I carry in my handbag.

Not gonna start on u rugby lot for 2 reasons.

1: Rugby folk are generally tough as nails

2: Don't want my tackle jiggled.

[pharvey]

I must say, for a bunch of supposed rugger fans, you ain't half been bitching about proceedings for 2 pages...

Thought we were in the Premier League thread for a while.

"He did this to him. He said that to them'".

Thought Rugby was a sport minus the handbags.

Don't start Spud...... You have no idea what I carry in my handbag.

Not gonna start on u rugby lot for 2 reasons.

1: Rugby folk are generally tough as nails

2: Don't want my tackle jiggled.

Less nervous of the Coronavirus than jiggling your tackle!!

[PeteC]

Good match on in 15 minutes, TRUE channel 669. Hurricanes vs Chiefs live from New Zealand. It should be a real burner.

[PeteC]

.....as predicted. 24-24 at end of full time, 35 phases with Hurricanes on offense in the last 3 minutes, penalty after full time for a stupid late tackle by a Chiefs player, 27-24 Hurricane win.

[pharvey]

.....as predicted. 24-24, 35 phases with Hurricanes on offense in the last 3 minutes, penalty after full time for a stupid late tackle by a Chiefs player, 27-24 Hurricane win.

Sounds like a cracker - hopefully I'll get a chance to see a re-run/highlights.